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Author Topic: No More Orange Film Cans? Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 01-13-2010 10:13 AM                     The familiar orange film cans may soon be a thing of the past. Technicolor has been quietly testing new cardboard box film containers, similar to those now used by DeLuxe & Fox. Here's some info I received yesterday: Technicolor Cinema Distribution (TCD) recently tested a switch from film cans (35mm prints) to plastic corrugated boxes similar to those used by Deluxe. After surveying 83 cinemas, feedback has led to these immediate updates: The concerns about the box handle projecting too far inside the box are justified. TCD will change the handle so that it doesn't protrude so far inward. The President of the box manufacturer came to Wilmington, OH to examine boxes of "Transylmania" that have returned. He wants to return to single locking tab, but make it larger than the Deluxe version. He said cutting that much surface area, for 2 tabs, weakens the box too much. He is also going to change from vertical to horizontal fluting, which will strengthen the box. He sent TCD a prototype of this new design. According to them, it is better and stronger based on internal tests. Ordering new handles and adjusting the mold will consume time. TCD plans to do another test run with a smaller release before they use it on a wide release. The rollout plan has been changed to: -Test the new design with independent releases in late January and February. -Ship a major studio's wide release, Universal's "Green Zone", opening March 12th. -If shipping the new design with independent titles in late January and February goes well, along with the wide release in March, TCD will request approval to transition all new titles to the new print box in late April and forward. Tim Burke General Manager Technicolor Cinema Distribution ACTUAL PICTURE! (IMO, placing the handles on the sides will force people to bend over further than a top handle to pick one of these boxes up, thus increasing the chance of back injury) >OOPS! I had intended to post this in the "FILM YAK" forum. Mabye a moderator can bump it there, if appropriate<  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Althaus Master Film Handler Posts: 435 From: Bedford, TX Registered: Dec 2008 posted 01-13-2010 10:46 AM                     I don't like it, at all. What happens when the next 140+ minute film from Disney comes out? Are they going to go completely to boxes, or have some cans, like Deluxe?  |  IP: Logged Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-13-2010 11:12 AM                     what are quote: Jim Cassedy film cans and quote: Jim Cassedy 35mm prints  |  IP: Logged Sean Weitzel Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 619 From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall) Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-13-2010 12:34 PM                     When a studio mandates a feature have combination locked cans, how does one affix locks to these boxes?  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 01-13-2010 12:42 PM                     They can't. Problem solved.  |  IP: Logged Paul Mayer Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under! Posts: 3836 From: Albuquerque, NM Registered: Feb 2000 posted 01-13-2010 01:08 PM                        At least now you can use cheaper airliner hijacking... 'er, box cutters instead of more expensive bolt cutters/Sawsalls/grinders to "unlock" those boxes.  |  IP: Logged Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 01-13-2010 01:21 PM                     Great question about "locked" print deliveries! I'm guessing they will keep a stash of the orange cans and those finicky locks for such situations.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 01-13-2010 02:37 PM                     So dumb that for many years that film was hauled in two cans that evened the weight across the body when lifted, you learned how to lift them straight up and no warning labeling to prevent back injury when lifting cans was ever implemented. Now, you get a device that completely takes away the balance, stick warnings all over it on how to lift this fool box (at least the FOX BOX has a center handle and if a guy is big enough, he can still manhandle 80 lbs on each side when carrying two of these boxes and still maintain that balance) which now all the weight is in front of you along with carrying it chest high so the box doesn't smack into your knees while walking forward. What happened? -Monte  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-13-2010 04:36 PM                        I pick up the foxbox with the handle and set it on a table, then I use both hands under the box to carry it up the stairs or any great distance. I would think carrying two of them with the handles would be a big hassle. Anyone who has a box weight issue could just open the box and carry 2 or 3 reels at a time...a pain in the neck, but a back saver. The TES box handle design is going to take up "reel space" in the box. They are probalby going to have to make those handles shallow enough that they'll be useless, unless you have pretty strong fingertips.  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Weigel Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1062 From: Edmond, OK, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 01-13-2010 04:56 PM                     It looks like the box is slightly wider to accommodate the side handles and not take up reel space.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 01-13-2010 05:52 PM                        Rather than using just 1 box, why can't they do these boxes in 3-4 reel configurations? Does one box really save on shipping? quote: Sean Weitzel When a studio mandates a feature have combination locked cans, how does one affix locks to these boxes? It wouldn't surprise me to see them ship the last reel or two under separate cover. Besides, isn't it just Paramount that uses the locked cans? This wouldn't be affected by the TES change.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-13-2010 06:54 PM                        quote: Justin Hamaker Rather than using just 1 box, why can't they do these boxes in 3-4 reel configurations? Does one box really save on shipping? It is actually quite a bit cheaper to ship one 50-pound box than it is to ship two 25 pound boxes. But the big attraction for the larger boxes is to keep the entire print all in one box.  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 01-13-2010 07:06 PM                     So why not just make the octagonal cans out of the corrugated plastic cardboard?...this solves the weight balance problem, solves the shipping cost problem and the back injury problem. ...or is this too easy to do?  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-13-2010 08:19 PM                        Well......a film-can-shaped box with 6 or 7 reels in it would be harder to pick up than a box with corners.  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 01-13-2010 08:49 PM                     And it sounds more expensive. Companies have never been big fans of expensive.  |  IP: Logged

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