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Author Topic: Out of frame "attached" trailers on Deluxe films Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 12-23-2009 10:14 PM                        I'm just curious to know if anyone else was blessed by out of frame splices on the attached trailers for their Deluxe films this week. We had one on both Alvin and Up In The Air. Unfortunately the prints were build up by my assistants who weren't aware to watch for those.  |  IP: Logged Matthew Kirwan Film Handler Posts: 10 From: Salinas, CA, USA Registered: Jul 2006 posted 12-23-2009 10:32 PM                     All three of the Alvin prints we received had attached trailers spliced out of frame. Our print of Up In The Air was fine, however.  |  IP: Logged Robert E. Allen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1078 From: Checotah, Oklahoma Registered: Jul 2002 posted 12-23-2009 10:58 PM                     My guess would be guys that whoever had the print before you took the trailers off for their run and then spliced them back on when they shipped them out but didn't give a rip about whether or not they were in frame.  |  IP: Logged Matthew Kirwan Film Handler Posts: 10 From: Salinas, CA, USA Registered: Jul 2006 posted 12-23-2009 11:08 PM                     These were three brand-new, sequential-numbered uncut prints with the security ties still on the cans.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 12-23-2009 11:17 PM                        It happens. They don't have very good splicing equipment at the depots. What really bothers me is that they even bother to splice them on in the first place. Why not just include them in the can along with a note e-mailed to the theater's corporate offices saying "You will play this trailer with our print or we will eat your children"? The mind boggles.  |  IP: Logged Joe Elliott Master Film Handler Posts: 497 From: Port Orange, Fl USA Registered: Oct 2006 posted 12-23-2009 11:23 PM                     Both of our prints of Alvin had the print preview spliced in misframed. I agree though, if their going to attach it, make sure to do it right, otherwise, just put it in the can.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-23-2009 11:40 PM                     More often than not they chop the incoming audio off of the opening logo when the depots try and splice because these are shipping people, not film handling people.  |  IP: Logged Jarret Chessell Master Film Handler Posts: 288 From: London, Ontario, Canada Registered: Jan 2009 posted 12-24-2009 12:46 AM                     I measure EVERYTHING that comes attached. no exception. I do it with distributer logos too (even if they're printed on). I also end up removing the 20 feet of black nothing film they like to attach too. I'm also in the habit of trimming back the heads and tails when they leave excessive amounts of clear and junk film on. Miss frames are a massive peeve of mine. They shouldn't happen.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 12-24-2009 12:56 AM                        I do that too, Jarret. Usually I will end up removing some stuff because if I didn't, the digital sound would drop out. Even if I didn't have to remove anything, I always put a splice there any way in case I need to remove the trailer in the future. I have to put the lights down cue around that area any way. However I try to leave at least a touch over half a second of black (if not a bit more) after the last frame of a trailer and before the first frame of the greenband.  |  IP: Logged Michael Voiland Expert Film Handler Posts: 219 From: Naperville, IL US Registered: Aug 2009 posted 12-24-2009 02:38 AM                     Alvin had a out of frame splice on the attached that was taped on only one side... one side it was a lucky catch.  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-24-2009 08:00 AM                     I got bitten on a special preview print of Dr. Parnassus. The print was not new but had new trailers attached, in sealed cans from Deluxe. Rushed, I didn't check the splices (no excuse). A splice let go on the test show and filled the XL shutter box with film, winding around the shutter shaft. No gears stripped luckily but a proper ba$tard to clean out.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-24-2009 08:09 AM                     In case you didn't notice, Joe, a lot of children get eaten by the studios, but it doesn't help much. They do it this way because they've found that it works. Hard to argue. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-24-2009 08:22 AM                        Happens all the time (well, 3/4 of the time, anyway). Even if they could make an in-frame splice, the splices themselves are invariably so badly made that they would need to be re-made anyway. It's not just DFS. TES has the same problem with trailers that are attached by hand.  |  IP: Logged John T. Hendrickson, Jr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 889 From: Freehold, NJ, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-24-2009 08:31 AM                     I had two Alvin prints with the splice in frame, but only taped on one side. No matter, since the policy had to be dropped in anyway.  |  IP: Logged Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 12-24-2009 10:22 AM                     I had a new print of something come in a few weeks ago, and the attached trailer was spliced out of frame. I cant recall what feature is was though. Last night a fellow projction-guy happened to mention to me that the trailer attached to his (new) print of "Alvin" et al, was out of frame.  |  IP: Logged

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