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Michael Hossen
Expert Film Handler

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From: Perth, Australia
Registered: Apr 2007


 - posted 09-27-2009 08:53 AM      Profile for Michael Hossen   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Hossen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Guys

When I was visiting a new complex my employer just opened this week I came across this film measuring machine. I can't find out any details about it on the net so I thought I'd ask the experts.

It seems like a very nice little unit, runs very smooth and looks well built.

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Cheers

Michael

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Tim Reed
Better Projection Pays

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Moviola, by J&R.

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Michael Hossen
Expert Film Handler

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Well Tim, that makes it easy. Thanks for that.

Are they actually any good?

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Tim Reed
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The best. The multiple-sprocket versions of that (2-6 gang) are called synchronizers, and they were used in the production of most all movies for decades; every editor had one. Until editing went digital.

I have a 4-gang version myself. [Smile]

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Michael Hossen
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Ok, cool. So I should just go and steal it from them now? I'll have to work out where they got it from...

Thanks for the info. [Smile]

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Louis Bornwasser
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From: prospect ky usa
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Most of the 4 gang units found out here in Mid-America were originally Cinerama units: 3 picture reels and one sound reel. I have one, too. Most were converted to "single wheel" units as an aid to finding frame lines. These have a side made of plywood. Louis

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Richard P. May
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From: Los Angeles, CA
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Louis,
Were the Cinerama synchronizers you are familiar with set up for the six-perf frames? When we were doing the restoration of HOW THE WEST WAS WON, the negative cutter who was converting the film setup from autoselect to a/b rolls was able to find one of these that had come from the ex MGM studio. They seem to be extremely rare.
In our lab work today, the four-rank synchronizers are important when working with original 3-strip Technicolor negatives (YCM+sound).

DM

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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Actually, it looks exactly like the Hollywood brand frame/footage counter. The numbers on the sprocket wheel are frames, the counter is feet.

I have seen a number of items where the "Moviola" and the "Hollywood" versions are identical other than the name plate. I don't know if one company made for the other, or they both sourced from the same manufacturer.

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Marco Giustini
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I had two in my multiplex, we used them to cut in frame trailers and adv. Very heavy, very well made, very useful. I think they bought them from Jack Roe UK.
I saw some other frame counter elsewhere, not as heavy as them, almost useless because they tend to follow the print [Smile]

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Christopher Seo
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This editorial type of footage counter is much better than what I've seen for normal cinema use. The sprocket is conveniently 1 foot (16 frames) in circumference, and hollowed out so you can see the film over a lightbox. Works smoothly and reliably even at fast speeds. Reading the feet and frames separately can be a bit tricky at first (just before the sprocket turns 16 frames, the counter already indicates 1 foot).

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Damien Taylor
Master Film Handler

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Michael, which company are you with? I always assumed you must have worked at the Busselton hard-top or drive-in [Confused]

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John Hawkinson
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Formally speaking, this is a one-gang sync block.

As noted above, it's the best kind of footage counter to have. They show up on EBay periodically, though generally 2-to-4 gang versions. Not quite as compact as the 1-gang, but perfectly servicable. Get one.

--jhawk

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Michael Hossen
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quote:
Michael, which company are you with? I always assumed you must have worked at the Busselton hard-top or drive-in [Confused]
Damien, I'm with Ace. The cinema down here has been an Ace site for the last 4 or so years since we renovated. We're now a three screen.

Thanks everyone for the information, I will be on the lookout for one.

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Matt Skilton
Film Handler

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From: Bromley, Kent, UK
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That does look like one mean footage counter. Hmmmm, when I'm a manager I know what my first purchase order will be [Wink]

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Brian Guckian
Jedi Master Film Handler

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This essential equipment continues to be manufactured / supplied as new.

Ask your local service engineer / tech for details [beer]

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