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Author Topic: Sad 70MM Days of Heaven news Tom Maguire Film Handler Posts: 9 From: Keene, NH USA Registered: Jun 2009 posted 09-21-2009 07:52 AM                     As a consolation to pulling a print on us at the last minute - Paramount offered us Days of Heaven in 70 last month and we were elated. Cut to a month later and I open the cans to find the print faded beyond recognition. So unfortunately this show was a bust, and this print is at the end of it's life.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-21-2009 08:41 AM                     It is very likely the exact same print we ran back in the early 90's in Chicago. BAck then it was the only circulating print as well. Mark  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 09-21-2009 01:13 PM                       I acquired a 70mm print of "Gandhi" all 3.5 hours of it and same thing, way too red to even run.  |  IP: Logged Sean Weitzel Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 619 From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall) Registered: Dec 1999 posted 09-21-2009 01:17 PM                     Sam, how many reels is that print of Gandhi?  |  IP: Logged Karl Borowski Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sulking in GameFAQ Forum Registered: Sep 2009 posted 09-21-2009 01:31 PM                     Probably Eastman print stock :-/ Then again, I guess storage, heat, and humidity play into this as much as the stock itself does. Apparently, with the old acetate stock, vinegar syndrome is accentuated more by *not* playing the movie than by heat. This is one thing I really like about estar; it is, essentially, permanent base. Acetate is, in some cases, worse than nitrate was in terms of base and spatial longevity.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 09-21-2009 01:33 PM                     Any Eastman color films prior to 1983 are likely to turn red...those from 1983 and beyond will hold their color much better.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-21-2009 01:47 PM                     Karl said "Apparently, with the old acetate stock, vinegar syndrome is accentuated more by *not* playing the movie than by heat." Mag tracks actually cause a reaction in the base that accelerates VS  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 09-21-2009 06:00 PM                     I wonder about the condition of the original camera negatives. Are they still any good? As great as the cinematography looked it would seem to be worthy of a 4K digital scan and DI treatment to use on a Blu-ray release.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 09-21-2009 06:29 PM                     quote: Tom Maguire Cut to a month later and I open the cans to find the print faded beyond recognition. I know the answer to this already but why would they bother sending a faded beyond recognition 70mm print all the way to you? Hope they're not charging you for the freight.  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 09-21-2009 06:50 PM                     About 10 years ago, I walked into the Rahway NJ film exchange (I believe it was the exchange that became ETS), which covered the NYC metro area. They had a wall of 70mm Days Of Heaven prints stacked floor to ceiling near the loading dock. Apparently the prints were being shipped to California for eventual destruction.  |  IP: Logged Tom Maguire Film Handler Posts: 9 From: Keene, NH USA Registered: Jun 2009 posted 09-21-2009 11:20 PM                     I'm just guessing but I would say that Some Guy in an office of Paramount looks at a list of available prints, sees Days of Heaven 70mm and says "Hey..." And then thousands of miles away on the East Coast is that print that's been sitting in a depot that isn't climate controlled and that no one's taken a look at in years. Just a guess.  |  IP: Logged Sean Weitzel Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 619 From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall) Registered: Dec 1999 posted 09-21-2009 11:50 PM                     A photographic record of the aforementioned Chicago screening along with said print (in it's former glory days sitting on a potts platter) can be seen right here on film-tech. Click the pictures button on the left and scroll down to "Cinema Borealis 1989"  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 09-22-2009 01:03 AM                       Sean, Too many is the short answer, but 14 seems to ring a bell. I ran a reel at the Fox California and confirmed it's essentially unwatchable. Sound is still OK.  |  IP: Logged

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