my profile | my password | search | faq & rules | forum home

» Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE   » Operations   » Film Handlers' Forum   » Correct oil level for Cinemeccanica Vic 10

Author Topic: Correct oil level for Cinemeccanica Vic 10 John Koutsoumis Master Film Handler Posts: 261 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: Aug 2003 posted 08-20-2009 08:08 PM                     I had tech in recently who on his way out asked if I had projector oil as the two Vic 10's we have are running low. I was a little confused because by going off the manual you fill the projector with oil till it reaches the red dot. Unlike Vic 8's it makes no mention the machine should be running for it to be at the red dot level. So with the projectors not running I always have the oil at the red dot and top up when needed. The machines always run smooth. I have now been told that the manual was badly translated from Italian and it should be the same as the Vic 8's. Can anyone clarify?  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-21-2009 12:15 AM                     Red point is correct. If you are using a spool projector make sure you also put oil at the lower shaft/clutch or whatever you call it periodically. Some people have no idea about that. The V10 is a powerfull beast. Have you converted it to Red LED?  |  IP: Logged John Koutsoumis Master Film Handler Posts: 261 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: Aug 2003 posted 08-21-2009 12:51 AM                     Yes we have red LED readers as well as Dolby 701 readers for digital. We run platters not spools. So I have the oil at the red dot level but when the projector is stopped not while running. My Vic 8's have the oil level at the red dot while it's running.  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 08-21-2009 01:51 AM                       I was not aware anyone was making a red reader for the V10. Is it a laser reader? What brand? I've never quite finished my version as there are major differences dimensionally to the V5 and even the V4.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-21-2009 12:19 PM                     Sam you forgot me!! I have one.  |  IP: Logged John Koutsoumis Master Film Handler Posts: 261 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: Aug 2003 posted 08-21-2009 07:39 PM                     Sam, not sure of the fine details but the reader and bracket are labeled Cinemeccanica. They are designed to fit the sound drums that don't have the guard that the later Vic 8's have. Also goes out of alignment a lot easier too so I am always keeping an eye on it and have them re-aligned when needed.  |  IP: Logged Phillip Grace Expert Film Handler Posts: 164 From: ACMI. Melbourne. Australia. Registered: Mar 2004 posted 08-21-2009 11:34 PM                     Hi John. Oil level should be up to the red dot in the lower glass when the machine is running. You can be certain that there is oil in the sump. You should also be able to see the oil passing through the filter/magnet assembly at the top of the projector. I once worked with an operator who filled the oil up to the top sight glass. It was still running down through the machine days later. We nearly drowned. Phil.  |  IP: Logged John Koutsoumis Master Film Handler Posts: 261 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: Aug 2003 posted 08-23-2009 10:28 PM                     Thanks Phillip. They sure do like their oil but I too had another operator fill it way too much and it was coming out everywhere and also threw drops onto the port glass which it still does now. It needs a rebuild but with D-Cinema coming that ain't gonna happen. Nice machines though. It's a shame that they modified them for 35mm only. They did screen 70mm as far as I know in the glory new days.  |  IP: Logged Kenneth Wuepper Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1026 From: Saginaw, MI, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 08-25-2009 07:27 PM                     John Koutsoumis, Do you use the same oil in both the Vic 8 and Vic 10 machines? Is it the oil supplied for these machines, namely Cinemeccanica? Is there anyone at the factory who remembers making these machines? Thanks KEN  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-25-2009 10:37 PM                     to the best of my memory all the cinemecanica's used the same oil or would at least tolerate the same oil which was in the past aSAE30 oil which was the same as the oil the factory's supplied over for the Hortson or a GK21  |  IP: Logged John Koutsoumis Master Film Handler Posts: 261 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: Aug 2003 posted 08-26-2009 10:05 PM                     Hi Kenneth, The oil we use is supllied by the tech company we use. They buy in bulk I guess and then bottle it for sale. We use the same oil in both the the 10's and 8's and it is recommened for use by their senior technician. I have never heard of Cinemecannica brand oil. Could not tell you when the projectors were made. Either very late 1950's or early 1960's before the Vic 8's but I really have no idea.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-28-2009 01:28 PM                     quote: Phillip Grace Hi John. Oil level should be up to the red dot in the lower glass when the machine is running. Sorry but you are wrong. Youu should leave the projector in iddle mode for at least a day and when the oil has settled then you check the level in stop mode. it should be until the red dot or just above it. never fill it to the red dot as it is running! Demetris  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 08-28-2009 02:56 PM                       How can anyone leave a machine idle for a day? Overnight, maybe, but not for a whole day. The manual seems pretty clear. You fill it to the dot when stopped, turn it on, and add any more as required to get a smooth flow in the sight glass/filter. quote: V-10 Manual Fill the projector with oil through the filler plug at the top of the mechanism, until the oil reached (sic) the Red Spot on the lower oil sight window (near the inching knob). Using the inching knob, turn the projector by hand to make sure that the projector runs smoothly and freely. Switch on the motors and check that they run in the correct direction. The projector should be run at 24f.p.s. and topped up with oil until the oil level is steady on the upper oil sight window.  |  IP: Logged

All times are Central (GMT -6:00)

Printer-friendly view of this topic

Hop To: Select a Forum: Category: Operations -------------------- Digital Cinema Forum Film Handlers' Forum Large Format Forum Ground Level Feature Info, Trailer Attachments & REAL Credit Offsets Category: Community -------------------- Film-Yak Film Handlers' Movie Reviews The Afterlife Bob Maar's Joke-A-Thon Category: Classified -------------------- Equipment and Supplies Wanted/For Sale Help Wanted/Seeking Employment Category: System -------------------- Software Beta Testing Forum

The Film-Tech Forums are designed for various members related to the cinema industry to express their opinions, viewpoints and testimonials on various products, services and events based upon speculation, personal knowledge and factual information through use, therefore all views represented here allow no liability upon the publishers of this web site and the owners of said views assume no liability for any ill will resulting from these postings. The posts made here are for educational as well as entertainment purposes and as such anyone viewing this portion of the website must accept these views as statements of the author of that opinion and agrees to release the authors from any and all liability.