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Joe Redifer
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If you use Screenvision for your in-theater advertising, switch to someone else... anyone else. They suck! If you want to advertise in a theater, do NOT do it through Screenvision or your ad will look like ass!

-They do not care if the image is super dim, they do not send brighter bulbs for bigger screens if you are using slide projectors.

-Their slide projectors break down ALL the time (a slide projector lasting more than 3 weeks is very rare).

-Their ads are printed on the super-cheap AGFA film stock which is really tacky and stiff. Anyone who has worked or dealt with AGFA stock anywhere at any time in the entire history of mankind knows of its shittiness... except Screenvision. The reason Screenvision uses it is because it is cheap and they don't care that it affects the quality of the ads themselves. Screenvision's motto is "Cheaper is always better".

-Their rolling stock bounces all over the screen due to extremely unsteady printing which is only exacerbated by the horrible AGFA film stock.

-There is a ton of negative dirt and other artifacts printed on to the ads which will make your presentation seem like it is much worse than it is. Your audience will think you are completely incompetent.

-The ads which are printed in Dolby Digital cut out before the ad actually ends, forcing an unnecessary reversion to analog and back.

-Ads are sometimes not complete, they will fade out before it ends (printing error).

-Ads are sometimes labeled with the incorrect aspect ratio (Flat, Scope). You thought you had enough Scope ads to go on all of your scope films? Think again!

-The heads are sometimes printed as brown instead of black. You must leave most of the head on if you don't wish to cut out the opening sound. Looks awful onscreen.

I don't know anything about their digital ads, but I assume they are horrible if everything else is any indication. Everyone else besides my theater uses NCN or whatever it is called. I can see why, though I have never been impressed by any TV commercials in a theater since it is pretty tacky. Sometimes I feel like I'm working at a TV station instead of a theater.

All in all, Screenvision is extremely unprofessional in the way they produce their onscreen advertising materials. They might almost be acceptable for dollar theaters, but then again maybe not. If you value quality but still need the ad revenue to stay afloat financially, stay far away from Screenvision!

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Scott Norwood
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How about "if you can't survive without on-screen advertising revenue, then just close now"? Do you really want to help the entire exhibition industry self-destruct?

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Joe Redifer
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I wish I could say that, Scott, I really do. But that is a battle I or anyone else certainly cannot win. I wonder how theaters stayed in business before ads. Theaters these days can't seem to survive without them.

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Scott Norwood
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I'm sorry, but this is a hot-button issue with me. If all the theatres that show slide ads, show film ads, put on crappy shows, mistreat their customers, and generally do more harm than good to the industry were to close tomorrow, the remaining exhibitors (i.e. the ones who actually care about quality) would be better off.

Do it right or get out of the business. If you need screen advertising to survive, then you are doing something wrong. I'm dead serious about that.

Exception: I have no trouble with trailers and concession promotions, or even with "rent our theatre" snipes. Those all relate to movies and promote filmgoing. It's the advertising from outside companies/organizations (car ads, join-the-army/navy/marines ads, toy ads, etc.) that I despise.

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Jake Spell
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Don't forget thoses horrible haed on and fanta comercials!!!! Enough to make you rip out your eyes!!!! [bs]

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Jack Ondracek
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 - posted 08-04-2009 09:49 PM      Profile for Jack Ondracek   Author's Homepage   Email Jack Ondracek   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That's the problem with this stupid forum. Nobody says what they think.

'specially you, Joe!

[Big Grin]

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Geena Phillips
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Screenvision is evil incarnate. Unfortunately, as NCM is owned by Regal, AMC and Cinemark, the alternative may be worse.

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Brad Miller
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Joe, you totally forgot to mention the "splices" that are within the Screenvision rolls. I have never EVER seen "splices" so un-splice-like. I could give a gorilla a roll of splicing tape, a knife and some film and he could do a better job.

You also forgot to mention that more often than not, the ad reels come in pre-scratched, even though they are brand new. These "splicing specialists" that put the ad packs together simply have no business handling film.

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Geena Phillips
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At least some of you get your ad packages pre-assembled. Our current PG13 and R packages have over EIGHT minutes of Screenvision ads, all of which have to be assembled by us.

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Brad Miller
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I would much rather my guys assemble them. At least they wouldn't (in theory) arrive all scratched up with soundtracks chopped and with splices that jam in the equipment.

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Joe Elliott
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You forgot to add that Screenvision rolling stock ads are sent without cores, and apparently squished back and forth a few times before shipping, so that if the ads were not completely scratched by improperly loaded film during printing, they will at least have nice little short scratches all over.

They usually only arrive at our theater on Thursday, so forget getting anything ready ahead of time. Projectionists have nothing better to do on Thursday Eve/Friday morning, so obviously, we have many hours of time left to do rolling stock work. Sleep is for the weak and sickly anyway.

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Joe Redifer
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Yes, it all arrives on Thursday (along with the slides) and it must all be on by the first show Friday or they will close down your theater (since they pretty much own it). I'm not even scheduled with enough hours to deal with it all.

quote: Jack Ondracek
Nobody says what they think.
That sure would make for a boring and uninspired world if everyone just sat around and took it up the shaft.

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Brad Miller
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In this world of corporate fear, most people DO.

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Aaron Mehocic
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Some good and bad points all around.

quote: Scott Norwood
Do it right or get out of the business. If you need screen advertising to survive, then you are doing something wrong. I'm dead serious about that.
I agree with the premise of this statement, but I also get the impression from Scott that any theater using screen advertising is unable to survive given what was said earlier in that same post:
quote: Scott Norwood
If all the theatres that show slide ads, show film ads, put on crappy shows, mistreat their customers, and generally do more harm than good to the industry were to close tomorrow, the remaining exhibitors (i.e. the ones who actually care about quality) would be better off.
We use both independent pre-show digital advertising and Screenvision rolling stock. Understandably there are, on rare occasions, complaints from customers that they did not pay for advertising when they purchased their ticket. I'd like to think, however, that our ads are coordinated into specific sets based on rating and look as good as can be expected on the screen. Moreover, I'd also like to report that, although we are a part of the Screenvision network, we do not rely on the quarterly checks to get by.

quote: Geena Phillips
Our current PG13 and R packages have over EIGHT minutes of Screenvision ads, all of which have to be assembled by us.
This is bothersome, and here is where Screenvision drops the ball big time. Our nine screen theater is in the Pittsburgh market in which 4:15 of total screen time has been agreed upon for any ad set regardless of rating. This seven, eight or even nine minute ad set crap is absolutely ridiculous! Occasionally we will get a fax from Screenvision acknowledging the run over and promising additional compensation, but those quit coming months ago, particularly concerning PG-13 and R-rated features.

quote: Joe Redifer
I'm not even scheduled with enough hours to deal with it all.
Me too, and until last May, I was responsible for coordinating the ad placements at three theaters. Maintenance went to hell, the booths were filthy, and it would take an average of four hours at the end of the campaigns just to fill out the bullshit affidavits. Half the time Screenvision wouldn't even send all of them. Hardly a set went by in which my district manager wasn't e-mailing New York for missing campaigns.

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Brad Miller
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And then there is the problem of keeping track of what is a PG13 roll vs. an R roll vs. a PG roll, etc. I stand firm by my argument that there is simply no reason why Screenvision cannot create ONE ad roll that is acceptable to run on all ratings of films.

Personally I would rather run the Screenvision stuff off of a DVD through a cheap video projector. It would look better anyway. [Razz]

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