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Author Topic: Pro 35 Scratching Rod Cornelison Film Handler Posts: 13 From: Jonesboro,AR./ Craighead ,USA Registered: Mar 2009 posted 06-26-2009 12:15 PM                     Hey guys, We just bought a 4plex in a mall to add to our collection of theatres. We have their Pro 35's and a couple of the prints have developped scratching on the emulsion side of the print. It's at the same spot on every frame so I'm thinking it has to be something in the main gate/intermittent area. either that or possible operator error (making loops too big maybe?) I attached a image of what the scratches look like. All help is GREATLY appreciated,  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-26-2009 12:24 PM                     lower loop hitting the stripper plate on the intermitent or the large roller that absorbs the beating of the lower loop usually pro35 scratches are from loop size issues  |  IP: Logged Rod Cornelison Film Handler Posts: 13 From: Jonesboro,AR./ Craighead ,USA Registered: Mar 2009 posted 06-26-2009 01:28 PM                     That's what I was leaning towards. I thoroughly went over each one and looked for burs or anything that might scratch the emulsion side. I've told my booth operators to make sure their loops aren't very big. I guess I'll have to tell them again.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 06-26-2009 01:34 PM                     Or instead of telling them, show up at random and check their loops.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 06-26-2009 02:58 PM                    Check beat roller below the intermittent sprocket. Look for signs of wear caused by the film. Replace the roller. I have seen scratching issues caused by this roller.  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 06-26-2009 03:05 PM                     I second Chris' reply, you need to drop in unannounced and check up on your operators to make sure they're threading correctly. Experience has shown me that they'll do it right every time as long as you're hanging around, but after you leave they'll go back to their own habits. Give repeat offenders two chances to snap in, or else they're fired. And stick to it.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 06-26-2009 03:26 PM                        Telling is just that. Inspect and verify! Louis  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-26-2009 03:40 PM                     quote: Darryl Spicer Replace the roller. Screw that... replace the projector! They should have never been allowed to place Pro in front of the 35!!! Mark  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-26-2009 07:57 PM                     Common on mark they could have had those wonderfull chineese machines instead : Overall the Pro35 was a decent machine I still have enough of them running with next to no issues  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 06-26-2009 08:06 PM                     And keeping track of who did the scratches is obviously a good thing.  |  IP: Logged Michael Hossen Expert Film Handler Posts: 136 From: Perth, Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 06-26-2009 08:11 PM                        Yeah, come on Mark. We've been running Pro35's for at least the last 15 years and they've been great. I've never had any issues with scratching prints, but I would say it's associated with the bottom loop being considerably too large. Check your operators when they aren't expecting you to come in.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-27-2009 08:31 AM                     quote: Michael Hossen We've been running Pro35's for at least the last 15 years and they've been great. Sure, as long as you never or very rarely use the framer... But then why bother to have a framer... too many weak spots in that machine. Especially the intermieetn!! Mark  |  IP: Logged Michael Hossen Expert Film Handler Posts: 136 From: Perth, Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 06-27-2009 10:03 AM                        In my 3+ years working with the machines I think I have only ever used the framing knob once or twice, and that's when someone else made a mistake and cut a trailer out of frame. We train our operators so that they never thread out of frame, and they don't, but for the few occasions that we've needed to use the framing adjustment, it's been ok. I know the framing mechanism is a downfall of the machine, but I still think they're pretty decent.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-27-2009 11:50 AM                     I'm glad they have been good for you but wait till you have a major film pileup... happens to everyone sooner or later... Thats when the Star Wheel radius gets bent . Costs more to buy the parts to repair it than the whole projector is worth... Thankfully, I can claim to having removed more Pro(?)35's from service then I have ever installed. I can't think of one that I still am servicing in fact. Also many parts have been discontinued by Ballantyne... wait till you need an important gate piece. Mark  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 06-27-2009 02:34 PM                        Mark: I agree. Their time has passed. How do you know? Even Strong has discontinued making them and several key parts. Really good equipment is commonly available due to the Digital influx. (Simplex/Century) On the other hand, it WAS an imperfect copy of an FP-35, which Ballantyne once distributed. Louis  |  IP: Logged

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