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Author Topic: unidentifiable equipment Laura Jean Kahl Film Handler Posts: 8 From: Pittsburgh, Pa USA Registered: Apr 2009 posted 04-28-2009 03:42 PM                        we have a broken shaft from the brake side of our rewind bench. neumade and kelmar say the piece isn't theirs. i think this might have been a specially made piece by a projectionist/machinist, who built the booth, that has since passed away. does any one recognize this piece? any suggestions for repairs?  |  IP: Logged James Westbrook Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1133 From: Lubbock, Texas, Usa Registered: Mar 2006 posted 04-28-2009 04:46 PM                     It looks like Neumade parts were used for that. Interesting that Neumade claims it isn't their's...maybe they don't support those tables anymore?  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 04-28-2009 07:02 PM                     Looks like an old version of the PRT table that Neumade still makes - but now the PRT-Ultra. Prob have to convert that table to the PRT-Ultra with newer parts. Look at this *.pdf file to give you an idea. [ 04-28-2009, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]  |  IP: Logged Jonathan M. Crist Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 531 From: Hershey, PA, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 04-28-2009 08:39 PM                     I have something similar that I think might work. Tried to post a picture but I cant get the upload feature to work. Contact offsite thru email if interested. [ 04-29-2009, 09:44 AM: Message edited by: Jonathan M. Crist ]  |  IP: Logged John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 04-28-2009 08:58 PM                     It is a Neumade table, but it's missing a collar. It looks like someone made a part without it. A overall picture of the entire table would help. It looks like it might be a mix of parts from a PRT and a PRT Ultra. Look at the drawing on page 3 pdf the pdf that Monty linked. That's your table's dead side spindle but missing the larger collar.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 04-29-2009 06:30 AM                        Def. standard part; we stock the current shaft and reel end at Hadden. Louis [ 04-29-2009, 08:10 AM: Message edited by: Louis Bornwasser ]  |  IP: Logged Gregory N. Jones Film Handler Posts: 27 From: Newtown, CT, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-29-2009 08:49 AM                        Agree with John W, a bigger picture of the entire table would help. I can say for certain that is not our spindle. We use the locking fingers at the end, not that spear shape. Also, the key in the picture looks like it was made of round bar stock, our keys are flat punched out CRS with nickel plate. Going WAY back now, it could be an old Jamison spindle but not sure if that is our table. Gregg  |  IP: Logged Laura Jean Kahl Film Handler Posts: 8 From: Pittsburgh, Pa USA Registered: Apr 2009 posted 05-07-2009 01:43 AM                        bench motor broken  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 05-07-2009 06:21 AM                        It appears to me that PRT Ultra parts will fit: 2 parts, really. The supply side shaft and any suitable reel end shaft. Louis  |  IP: Logged John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 05-07-2009 02:32 PM                     Greg would know better than I, but it looks like several different parts put together. The metal table frame looks like an older Neumade table (going by the two drawers) but someone added the newer formica table top - I don't think Neumade ever made table tops with rounded corners. The speed control doesn't look like anything Neumade did, but if it's really old who knows? No Neumade tables had a motor on the top as in the picture (not including intergrated motor/spindles like the Super X.) All in all, it looks like someone cobbled together different parts, but did do a good job. I seem to remember seeing some drawings that indicated the very first PRT tables did not have (what Neumade called) the 'EZ' spindles, whch meant they were changeable for 1/2 in 5/16 etc. The spindles still look like they are from a PRT table. This is the bad news/good news; You could get everything working again but would have to buy all new spindle parts. This would also give you the 'EZ' changable spindles. I think most of the spindle parts are still avaiable. Or bring the broken shaft to a machine shop and just have them make another.  |  IP: Logged Laura Jean Kahl Film Handler Posts: 8 From: Pittsburgh, Pa USA Registered: Apr 2009 posted 05-07-2009 05:18 PM                        going to a machinist was my fist instinct, but the people who pay the bills around here wanted me to find an "official" answer before i go out into the world of independent contracting thanks for the input guys!  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-07-2009 06:59 PM                        Admittedly a bit off the subject....but has any rewind manufacture ever rigged the autotransformer /speed control up to a geared foot pedel? I have an old 16mm unit that has no nameplate (possibly Griswals or Neuman), and it has a reheostat type control built into a foot pedel; it was quite a nifty design. I thought it made a lot of sense as it gives you both hands free in the event that you have to quickly stop the rewind, unlike the popular Kelmar and Neumade rewinds where you have to take one of your hands away from the reels to grab the speed control -- seconds that can change the success or not of a needed quick stop. Just wondering.  |  IP: Logged Scott Christopher Film Handler Posts: 69 From: Adelaide, South Australia Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-07-2009 07:47 PM                     Just a thought.... Just use an old spool arm (if you have one) - ok it wouldn't be a matching pair, but it'll get you out of trouble. Or atleast until you fix the other.  |  IP: Logged John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 05-07-2009 08:23 PM                     Note to Laura: You could have a machine shop make another spindle, but if it (or other parts) break again, it could get expensive. However, if you use the table lightly that might be a good way to go. On the other hand, if you invest some money in all the PRT reel end replacement parts, you would then have 'standard' parts you could just buy. Note to Frank: Neumade supplied several different foot-operated speed controls, from an old monster rehostat design I saw in drawings to SCR types. You can get the Super X with an SCR type. They seem to have fallen out of favor, though.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 05-08-2009 03:06 AM                     Yeah, we have foot pedals on both our Neumade and our HFC rewinds. They're awesome! Everyone should have them! --jhawk  |  IP: Logged

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