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Mark Lensenmayer
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From Physorg.com:

Audio Watermarking Technique Could Locate Movie Pirates
by Lisa Zyga
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Camcorder piracy - which occurs when moviegoers bring a camcorder into a theater to record a movie from the screen - is a rapidly growing illegal activity. In the US, camcorder piracy has been illegal since 2005, when the Family Entertainment and Copyright Act banned the use of recording devices in theaters. Nevertheless, according to the Motion Picture Association, camcorder piracy causes an annual loss of $6.1 billion to the movie industry.

In an attempt to deter camcorder piracy, researchers have been developing watermarking techniques that embed a secret message into a movie indicating when and where the movie was shown. Once the movie is posted on the Internet, this secret message can be extracted to reveal the movie theater and showtime, and the theater can implement additional surveillance to deter piracy. However, these watermarking techniques cannot identify the recording location in the theater.

Now, a newly proposed position estimation system can use an audio watermarked signal embedded into a movie soundtrack to estimate the camcorder's location in a theater to within half a meter - basically down to a specific seat. Yuta Nakashima, Ryuki Tachibana, and Noboru Babaguchi of Osaka University have developed the new technique, and their results will be published in an upcoming issue of IEEE Transactions on Multimedia.

As the researchers explain in their study, the position estimation system works by taking advantage of the different channels of the soundtrack, called "host signals." A watermark embedder generates a watermark signal for each host signal, generating a "watermarked host signal" (WHS). Separate loudspeakers emit each WHS, and a camcorder will record the audio as a mixture of all the WHSs as a single recorded signal.

In this monaural recorded signal, the watermarked host signal from each loudspeaker is delayed in proportion to the distance from its loudspeaker (the source of origin) to the camcorder's microphone. The watermark detector can calculate these delays by determining the strengths of each watermarked host signal. Specifically, the detection strength of each watermarked signal will have a peak at a particular time dependent on the delay times.

As the researchers explain, this audio watermarking method could be combined with a conventional watermarking method, which together could determine the move theater, showtime, and the seat in the theater. Then, a person identification system - such as a ticketing system or video surveillance - could identify the pirate.

Although the researchers performed experiments with the system, they plan to investigate the technique further. One challenge they face is ensuring that the acoustic quality remains high in the midst of various environmental factors and background noise. The researchers also plan to investigate the robustness of the system against attacks that may cause the system to estimate an irrelevant position, and to detect these attacks and account for them, if necessary.


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John Wilson
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In an attempt to deter camcorder piracy, researchers have been developing watermarking techniques that embed a secret message into a movie indicating when and where the movie was shown. Once the movie is posted on the Internet, this secret message can be extracted to reveal the movie theater and showtime, and the theater can implement additional surveillance to deter piracy. However, these watermarking techniques cannot identify the recording location in the theater.
Well, maybe in a digital presentation this is possible, but certainly not a 35mm run.

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Marco Giustini
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Why not, it's a separate system, not the main sound system. You just have to connect it to the ticketing system to have the correct showtime and date broadcasted.

Wasted time and money of course, but interesting [Smile]

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Brad Miller
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Now, a newly proposed position estimation system can use an audio watermarked signal embedded into a movie soundtrack to estimate the camcorder's location in a theater to within half a meter - basically down to a specific seat.
Now the MPAA will want every person ID'd and logs kept of which seat everyone sat in for every movie. [Roll Eyes]

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Ian Parfrey
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A dot-matrix of I.R leds arranged in a clock face behind the screen will fix that. No need for any usless audio trickery. And it's time the Studios start to decide whether they really are losing money. They make the film, screen the film, make the camcorders, the recording media etc. Fingers in all the pies I'd say and profit from every step.

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Dominic Espinosa
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Interesting thought about the IR LEDS.
However if the camcorder filters out IR as some do that would be useless.

It's a neat idea but ultimately pointless.

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Ian Parfrey
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Curses. There goes my retirement fund! [Big Grin]

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Marin Zorica
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This idea is a bit complicated, but for sure pirates are not made in first class plex or bigger cinema, but in smaller town or country cinema.....which probably newer gonna afford this anty-piracy equipment.....but point is that something must be made to deal with piracy!

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Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
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So true about the fingers in many pies.

The audio watermarking sounds cool but there's no way you are going to catch anyone later on with that evidence. I guess the MPAA are looking to discover patterns of piracy and act on what they find.

I think that poor presentation and viewing environments going unchecked is more of a risk to the exhibition industry than piracy. One extra floor staff per multiplex per day would mean screen checks getting done properly and would make it a lot harder for people to record.

Also if studios want to cut down on piracy they should invest in research for a screener dvd that self-destructs after one use. I shouldn't be able to miss the first ten minutes of a film in the cinema and then go home and catch up on a DVD-quality stream with 'property of studio x' all over the bottom.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Dominic Espinosa
filters out IR as some do that would be useless.


If filtering was to be thought of, then could a change of IR frequency so no filter could be useful?

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Jack Theakston
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Agreed about the screeners. Those who actually survey the bootleg world can see that the days of the camcorder-in-the-theater are long gone. People who get screeners are the ones the MPAA should be targeting!!

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Frank Angel
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annual loss of $6.1 BILLION to the movie industry.

there's that figure again. Gee, this figure never seems to change no matter what year they drag it out and quote it. No matter whether they have 10 blockbuster hits in a year or 15 or 5, they always seem to loose the same 6.1 BILLION to piracy....strange, that.

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Those who actually survey the bootleg world can see that the days of the camcorder-in-the-theater are long gone. People who get screeners are the ones the MPAA should be targeting!!

Only real problem is that the MPAA has never shown any stomach for going after its own....you won't see directors or actors or voting members in the industry being dragged out of their home screening rooms in handcuffs. What the MPAA needs to do is 1) admit that the most damaging piracy is the kind where the counterfeit is so good that it can be sold in video stores as a legitimate DVD or shown in China, Russia & other not-so-worried-about-the-American-Copyright-Law countries. These counterfeits come from screener copies and post production facilities, not some a-hole aiming a $800 camcorder at a movie screen.

It's just like counterfeit money. The counterfeits which are made by some amateur on a xerox machine that you can spot in the dark with your eyes closed -- it's the ones that are indistinguishable from the real thing which cost the studios the big bucks. It's the indistinguishable counterfeits that the pirates and brokers in China can mass duplicate and sell to in video outlets across the globe which will pass as authentic. Crappy off-screen copies are worthless in that black market. They are also worthless in those countries in which large numbers of theatres use E-Cinema equipment to play DVDs. They aren't going to play off-screen copies. The DVDs made from Academy screener copies and lab copies wind up back in US video stores as well. That DOES cost the studios $$$.

It's just the nature of all counterfeits -- "Rolex" watches that some street vendor sells in the East Village for $10 ea. which look like they were made from scrap aluminum cans doesn't really impact the Rolex company, but the knockoffs that an unscrupulous merchant can sell to clients because they can't be detected by the buyer are what really pull money right out of the pocket of the Rolex company, not the street vendor crap. The MPAA is focusing on the street vendor.

And 2) the MPAA needs to have the equivalent of the Police Department's Internal Affairs Division to investigate its own.

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First of all, the amount of money the entertainment industry loses every year is taken from thin air. It might just as well be 10 billion...or 20 for that matter. It's virtually impossible to make that estimation because you would have to monitor all the cam copies available on the Net. Then you would have to suppose that each copy has been watched by a single person and that this person would not visit a cinema to see a given film.

Besides, why all the fuss?? Time for a confession [Razz] : once I downloaded cam copy (how sinful [Big Grin] ) and promised myself not to do it again. "Crap copy" wouldn't even begin to describe it.

I would go as far as to say that NOBODY watches them. People download it and after watching for a couple of minutes they just get rid of it.

Guess that for the entertainment industry whatever money they get is simply not enough. So I treat the news as some nice technical curiosity that never will be put to practice.

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Frank Angel
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I am not for a moment saying that piracy isn't a real problem for the industry and the studios shouldn't be going full tilt ahead trying to put a stop to it. It hurts the producters; it hurts the theatres. I do agree that pulling those piracy losses out of the MPAA's butt as they do all the time is meaningless, and in fact, I think quoting such numbers diminishes the seriousness of the problem because on its face those numbers are seen as suspect.

But whereas it is difficult to measure how a barely watchable off-screen copies streaming in jittery stutters and jumps on a ipod will or will not stop someone from buying a cinema ticket, if even 5% of all DVDs that are sold world-wide are counterfeits made from a pristine original and thus nearly impossible to tell apart from the real thing, that IS very measurable and a very nasty economic blow to the studios and I don't begrudge them from trying to thwart that by any and every means possible. But once again, focusing on elaborate watermarking systems to stop off-screen bootlegs, IMHO, is jousting at windmills since those perfect counterfeit DVDs which are able to be sold as legitimates are not created from laughable off-screen bootlegs shot with a amateur consumer camcorders.

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quote: Frank Angel
even 5% of all DVDs that are sold world-wide are counterfeits made from a pristine original and thus nearly impossible to tell apart from the real thing, that IS very measurable and a very nasty economic blow to the studios and I don't begrudge them from trying to thwart that by any and every means possible.
I couldn't agree more. But what one needs to bear in mind is that the financial blow is unrelated to anything. In terms of money, be it 2m or 2 billion or whatever other amount of money- we have a gut feeling it's huge, even if the exact figure cannot be stated. However with respect to financial gains, the amount of money lost must be in some way insignificant. It it weren't true (that is, the financial losses prevailed over gains) nobody would release DVDs- it takes an insane to make business that gets money away from you.

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