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Author Topic: Reel of Indiana Jones in Narnia Donna Sylvester Film Handler Posts: 33 From: Burney, CA, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 05-15-2008 12:42 AM                        I just looked at my print of Narnia and saw two reels (3&9) tails up. Reel 9 was imprinted on the film T-9 NARNIA, but the small white piece of paper adhered said INDIANA JONES! When I rewound the film I discovered it is actually reel 7 of INDIANA JONES. I saw Harrison Ford wearing his same old hat. The film head was imprinted with the correct I.J. title. Technicolor is at a loss as to how it happened, especially since INDIANA JONES is a DFS print. The lab must have screwed up. I just hope someone doesn't get a locked up INDIANA JONES print that has a NARNIA reel in it by mistake. There wouldn't be time for the correct reel to arrive. Check your reels carefully. I did post this on another site, but thought it important to get the word out in case there are other similar print mixups.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-15-2008 01:43 AM                        This is why prints need to be inspected and screened with plenty of time to obtain replacements before the first public showing.  |  IP: Logged Mike Schulz Expert Film Handler Posts: 122 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: May 2007 posted 05-15-2008 01:55 AM                     I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with preventing piracy and everything to do with pushing digital cinema. They are trying to make film prints the biggest pain in the arse that they can to help convince theatre owners to go digital to avoid the hassle. I would also assume that the "average" theatre will crack under the pressure of time and have sloppy build-ups and lots of angry customers complaining about bad framing, scratches, etc due to not having time to screen prints. Well guess what? That would never happen if you had a digital projector! It doesn't take a genius to know that all of the piracy is done from the inside during post production. The quality of bootlegs these days are amazing. Gone are the days of the hand-held camcorder bootlegs, they are all dvd quality now and everyone knows that every projection booth in the world has the transfer equipment necessary to produce dvd bootlegs!  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 05-15-2008 03:15 AM                     I'd more call it a lab goof since both releases were processed by Technicolor labs. Since they spin out thousands of feet of film a minute, someone in QA fell asleep at the switch. Even DeLuxe can do the same goof from time to time... [ 05-15-2008, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 05-15-2008 03:16 AM                     Methinks you chose the wrong thread. Obviously, a printing mistake giving you a reel for a different movie doesn't get rid of piracy.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 05-15-2008 03:18 AM                        Mike Even if every theatre signed on to convert every screen to digital today, it would still take a good 3-4 years to get everyone installed. Between equipment and technician bottlenecks, there is no way that the conversion to digital can be done within a short amount of time. And I disagree with your assessment of the purpose not being to stop piracy. While the locks are not going to affect the determined pirate, the bean counters and policy makers can use them as "proof" they are doing something about the problem. Besides, if it was really about creating an inconvenience, why didn't we see locks on Drillbit Taylor or The Ruins.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-15-2008 10:25 AM                        quote: Donna Sylvester Reel 9 was imprinted on the film T-9 NARNIA, but the small white piece of paper adhered said INDIANA JONES! When I rewound the film I discovered it is actually reel 7 of INDIANA JONES. I saw Harrison Ford wearing his same old hat. The film head was imprinted with the correct I.J. title. Donna, you contradict yourself in this paragraph. First you say the reel was imprinted "T-9 NARNIA," but then later on you say the film leader was "imprinted with the correct I.J. title." Which is it?  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-15-2008 10:45 AM                     Aha! You have exposed the bittorent of 35mm film piracy! Somebody at the lab or depot "accidentally" scrambles the reels in certain shipments of key movies and sends them out to a series of predetermined theaters who are ALSO receiving a legitimate copy of the same movie. The film pirates receive the target print in UNLOCKED CANS and reassemble them from various sources to get one complete print, BEFORE the official release. Then, when the print has been telecined and uploaded to the torrent it is placed back in the cans it was originally SUPPOSED to be in and sent back. Nobody is the wiser. Now that everybody knows that only reels 1, 3,5, etc. are sent in locked cans the job is half done. The other half is being sent in the clear. They only have to divert half the reels. One last thing... Please be aware that this post was made with tongue planted firmly in cheek.  |  IP: Logged Donna Sylvester Film Handler Posts: 33 From: Burney, CA, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 05-15-2008 11:05 AM                        The tail is imprinted T-9 Narnia, while the head is imprinted H-7 Indiana Jones.  |  IP: Logged Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Master Film Handler Posts: 405 From: Canton, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2007 posted 05-15-2008 01:18 PM                     quote: Mike Schulz I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with preventing piracy and everything to do with pushing digital cinema. They are trying to make film prints the biggest pain in the arse that they can to help convince theatre owners to go digital to avoid the hassle. That would be pretty stupid, since I doubt there are many owners who handle film, and those that do probably don't have the budget for digital rollout.  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 05-15-2008 03:30 PM                        Mike Schultz... I'm pretty sure if the idea were a push for D-Cinema, this particular release would not be available in digital ONLY if you don't have 35mm equipment. If you have dual-projection systems (35mm & Digital), you MUST play 35mm, save for extraordinary circumstances (i.e. your biggest houses are Digital only).  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 05-15-2008 05:34 PM                     We will be playing Jones in 35mm AND digital. We have to play the 35mm screens, but we also have digital screens booked.  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 05-15-2008 05:46 PM                        My reel 8 of Narnia has no tail on it, it has a lab splice and piece of film but no markings it also had two large circle cuts in the center of a couple of frames a few frames from the end of the printed material. I have no idea if the reel is complete or not. The Lion is talking to one of the kids or Caspain but not sure who it is cutting between lion and male actor! I guess I'm calling Technicolor now!  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-15-2008 05:58 PM                        Man, this Narnia thing sounds like the world's sloppiest lab and/or exchange work. My reels are at least labeled correctly. Will watch for other problems.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-15-2008 06:01 PM                        I really hope the Indy prints won't be just as messed up. Kind of hard to get an acceptable replacement reel(s) when you can't unlock the cans until the same day it shows.  |  IP: Logged

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