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Author Topic: No heads on the reels Matthew Shearer Film Handler Posts: 1 From: Belvedere, CA, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 02-28-2008 07:34 PM                     We just got the movie No Country For Old Men...yes just got it, and with no heads we're a little lost. Someone had told me earlier that there were pictures of the reel heads on this site but I am un able to find them. Any help is appreciated. -Thanks  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 02-28-2008 08:35 PM                     It would be over on the left under reel ID, but it's not listed. Are the tails intacted? I've had some fools rewind the heads & tails together on to the reels. Trying to save time. They could be on the inside of the reel. Call TES 1800-99-films  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-28-2008 10:02 PM                        TES will fax you a copy of the heads of the reels.  |  IP: Logged Todd Shelskt Film Handler Posts: 26 From: Manchester, CT Registered: Feb 2008 posted 02-28-2008 10:13 PM                     I work at a sub-run theater in Connecticut and had a couple of problems with missing leaders OR leaders cut to the black instead of leaving a frame. It really aggravates me. It's such a SIMPLE THING to add or remove leaders! Thankfully, over the last few months I've gotten decent prints, expertly handled!  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 02-29-2008 12:49 AM                        Determining reel number by reading DTS timecode on 35mm film  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-29-2008 01:17 AM                     Due to being overworked in general, the ID warehouse hasn't been updated in some time. We do have most of the releases archived, but not on the server yet. In the meantime did you receive no leaders at all??? Or did you just receive leaders without an ID frame? If the latter, just match up the printed numbers on the edges of the film printed every 10 feet or so in the SDDS audio track and you have your positive identification. Here is an example of what I mean (look at the bottom edge and you will see the numbers)......  |  IP: Logged Ross Oba Expert Film Handler Posts: 181 From: Kailua Kona, HI Registered: Oct 2005 posted 02-29-2008 04:34 AM                     This is probably too late but Technicolor has ID frames on their website. http://www.technicolor.com/Cultures/En-Us/TheatricalDistribution/CheckFrames  |  IP: Logged Rick Raskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1100 From: Manassas Virginia Registered: Jan 2003 posted 02-29-2008 05:10 AM                     Determining reel number by reading DTS timecode on 35mm film: That's pretty neat -- The bit patterns read left to right instead of R-L as we bit weenies tend to do. Thanks Daryl.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 02-29-2008 04:23 PM                     quote: Brad Miller In the meantime did you receive no leaders at all??? Or did you just receive leaders without an ID frame? They received a print with no heads or tails except for the head on R1. Their fax machine sucks- all that you could see in the pictures in the fax were basically blurry gray strips instead of clear pictures of the images to use to match. They have called TES and are getting a replacement print today anyway, as this one is horribly scratched. -Aaron  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-29-2008 07:06 PM                     I'm curious as to how that got past their inspection people. It must've been a direct circuit...and if so, why have they not been outed yet?  |  IP: Logged Bill Enos Film God Posts: 2081 From: Richmond, Virginia, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 03-01-2008 07:20 PM                     I get 'em occasionally from TES and the others too with no tails or heads, I believe the only check the make is a reel count, and I've received the incorrect reel count twice. [ 03-01-2008, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: Bill Enos ]  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-02-2008 04:38 AM                     Unless it's changed since April of 2007 when I last talked to them about it, TES's Quality Check process (formerly known as IC, or Integrity Check) continues to look at outside (i.e. head or tail, whatever is "out") of every reel before it is shipped. There should be a handwritten sticker on the outside of the can with the date of the inspection. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-02-2008 10:59 AM                        This guy may have gotten a circuited print...he doesn't say. FWIW I've gotten prints directly from TES that have no leaders, or they're wrapped around the hubs. Maybe just once or twice, but it has happened...I do think their practices have improved in the past three years or so.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-02-2008 09:46 PM                     If you get prints from TES with no leaders, you should call them and ask what happened. What do you mean by "wrapped around the hubs?" --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Kenneth Wuepper Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1026 From: Saginaw, MI, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-03-2008 06:47 AM                     John, I have received sever prints recently with both the head and tail leaders taped to the center of the reel and the feature attached on top of it. The head of the feature reel becomes VERY dirty and scratched so that it must be discarded. Often the leaders are not for the reel that was wound on top of them. This makes building the show a bit tough but the scratches make a replacement print necessary anyway. I think that this technique saves at least 30 or more seconds for the theater that packed it up last although it destroyed the print for all future exhibition. KEN  |  IP: Logged

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