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Author Topic: Still Double Inventory-ing Cyan & Magenta? Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-27-2008 06:11 PM                        Ran a print of THE GREAT DEBATERS (#02028). Analog track was magenta. I thought by now everything was coming out cyan with magenta phased out quite awhile ago, no? Looking in the Feature Info & Trailers forum, Scott said his print was cyan. Why would they still be making magenta AND cyan prints? Isn't double inventory an idea that makes the studio suits' heads explode?  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 02-27-2008 06:28 PM                     not all labs are printing cyan- I have handled several prints with a mix of HM and cyan tracks, and the reels were struck at different labs... -Aaron  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 02-27-2008 06:53 PM                       FWIW, the trailers I make are all still High Magenta.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-28-2008 05:25 AM                        Tim, does the lab charge you more for HM prints? Would needing to redevelope and the need for silver and the higher rate of rejected prints because of the redeveloper errors, would that make a high magenta print cost more? Or isn't it enough to make any real difference. Or do you specifically want magenta for some reason?  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 02-28-2008 07:36 AM                       Frank, I've thought about switching to cyan dye, but never really asked about the particulars. It could be that my account has been set up that way from day one, and they just run me on those lines - and will continue to do so until it's no longer an option. Since I am such small potatoes, I don't think there's enough of a break in price to make a difference. They're still going to charge me a percentage for overage, leader and such. Secondly, I can't help but imagine some drive-in out there in the sticks that's still running exciter lamps...  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-28-2008 10:29 AM                     Tim, You haven't gone "Green" yet to help save the earth...er ah I mean cyan???? Mark  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 02-28-2008 04:10 PM                     As Aaron mentions above, we've had several prints come through with some reels in HM and others in Cyan. Sony seems to be remaining holdout. We still see some HM prints from them (even when a single reel may be cyan), but almost every other studio print is coming in as cyan. The last batch of Dolby Digital trailers that came in were also cyan.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 02-28-2008 04:25 PM                     I ran something quite recently, within the last six months or so, which was a recent release, and was printed with a conventional, i.e. magenta+cyan+silver track. I can't remember what the film was now, but I remember thinking at the time that it was unusual.  |  IP: Logged Fred Tucker Film Handler Posts: 90 From: Sugar Land, TX Registered: Sep 2007 posted 03-22-2008 01:08 AM                     AMC's snipes (coming soon, silence is golden & feature presentation) are magneta.  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 03-22-2008 06:59 AM                     In many cases you would need to re-record your sound track negative for cyan. I recently did some copies from some twenty five year old negatives and that was one of the options...so we polluted the earth a little more  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 03-22-2008 10:49 AM                     On a few of the recent prints from Technicolor that I have previewed. They have written High Magenta on the head leaders and the print is cyan. So always round into the print and not take what the lab printed on the leader.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-22-2008 11:22 AM                        Stupid question: do density tracks work when printed as cyan? Or will they always be silver (or re-recorded as area tracks)?  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 03-22-2008 05:22 PM                     Given that no VD track recordings hace been recorded for something like 40 years, none of the existing negatives would have been made for cyan printing. I still don't really understand why differences in negatives are required for different printing systems, can somebody please explain? I know it's something to do with cross-mod, and I beliece the equivilent on VD tracks would be inter-mod, but the precise details of optical sound recording are not my strong point. Given that the silver in a conventional track blocks white light, and infra-red, and that the dye in a cyan track blocks red light, why doesn't the area of dye, or silver, at any point on the track need to be the same in both cases. Two colour Cinecolor prints had a track which was quite similar in colour to a modern cyan one, and at least some of these were VD. These tracks played with conventional exciter lamps and photocells. I was told that the blue-green image, and therefore the track, was produced by toning with a compound which happened to absorb strongly in the infra-red, but I don't know the details.  |  IP: Logged

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