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Richard May
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From: Floral Park, NY USA
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 - posted 08-26-2007 01:20 PM      Profile for Richard May   Email Richard May   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
This is actually for music outside of a building. I have 2 speakers that are fairly far apart. How can I mono the left and right amplified signals to these speakers to eliminate the stereo effect. I'm using an amplified tuner with left and right outputs. There are no controls to mono the signal internally.

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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 - posted 08-26-2007 01:32 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It is odd that there is no "mono" button on the tuner as that often is a way to improve the quality of a weak signal.

Anyway...there are several way to mono up a signal. You can try to use a simple "Y" cable but since the tuner's outputs are bound to be low impedence, it is possible that it won't want to see the "other channel's" low impedence output. The way around that is to use resistors. Odds are that anything over 1K will work (I'd start with 4.7K).

Alternately, you can go the active route and use a summing amplifier available from many different sources like RDL.

Steve

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John Hawkinson
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 - posted 08-26-2007 04:42 PM      Profile for John Hawkinson   Email John Hawkinson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
See Rane's technote, Why Not Wye?. It provides some simple schematics.

--jhawk

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Bruce Hansen
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 - posted 08-27-2007 11:41 AM      Profile for Bruce Hansen   Email Bruce Hansen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
DO NOT ever connect two speaker outputs together. They WILL blow each other up. You may be able to sum the two speaker outs with 8 ohm (or 10 ohm) resitors. This will cut the output level a little though. Use power resistors that are about the same power as the output of the amp.

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Larry Zuverink
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 - posted 08-27-2007 01:26 PM      Profile for Larry Zuverink   Email Larry Zuverink   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Richard,
I'v used Speco(not the platter guys)TSM-30's for years. They work great. You can get them online for less than $15.00

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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 - posted 08-28-2007 06:12 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wait a minute...I might have missed a key element in this problem that Bruce hit upon...are you saying that you do not have access to the tuner signals directly as they come off the tuner stage and only the amplified outputs? If so, Bruce is dead on in that a resistive/inductive solution is your best bet. The problem with pure resistive is that you will affect the damping factor significantly and will likely have exaggerated bass as a result.

Steve

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Larry Zuverink
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 - posted 08-28-2007 06:57 AM      Profile for Larry Zuverink   Email Larry Zuverink   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Steve, I also missed that it was speaker level. The TSM-30 is for line level.

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Louis Bornwasser
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 - posted 08-28-2007 02:03 PM      Profile for Louis Bornwasser   Author's Homepage   Email Louis Bornwasser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At one time you could buy a 3 winding transformer. 2 primaries for the amp outputs and one secondary to feed mono to any number of speakers. Don't know if this is still made, but 2 individual transformers may work also. Louis

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Phil Hill
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 - posted 08-28-2007 03:44 PM      Profile for Phil Hill   Email Phil Hill       Edit/Delete Post 
The TSM-30 is speaker level.

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Larry Zuverink
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 - posted 09-04-2007 12:24 PM      Profile for Larry Zuverink   Email Larry Zuverink   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Your right Phil, I get more confused every day. [Smile]

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