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Author Topic: How to break down without working MUT on You Tube Matthew Bailey Master Film Handler Posts: 461 From: Port Arthur,TX Registered: Sep 2000 posted 07-27-2007 09:02 PM                     I just came across this recently on You Tube. It's on breaking down from a platter without a working MUT using the rewind bench,but they should either put more antistatic cloths on the floor or use rollers mounted on stands. You Tube  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 07-27-2007 10:01 PM                     I'm sure that a bunch of us have have busted down film outside of using a MUT in one form or another. Been there and done that a bunch of times...  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 07-27-2007 10:02 PM                        Nnear-total lack of tension on the reel.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-27-2007 10:46 PM                     Oh geez, I wouldn't want to get that guy's print. The tension he has going there is a recipe for cinch scratching.  |  IP: Logged Chad M Calpito Master Film Handler Posts: 435 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Apr 2006 posted 07-27-2007 10:53 PM                        I, too, wouldn't want to get that print as well. Sheez, talk about no tension on the reel. Man, talk about stupid. I say, fix the damn MUT.  |  IP: Logged Kyle Anderson Film Handler Posts: 86 From: Tyler, TX, USA Registered: Dec 2005 posted 07-28-2007 02:32 AM                     Should have been pulling from the tail out with the platter brakes on lightly...  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-28-2007 07:49 AM                        A much better (though more time consuming) method would have been to run the film through the projector and take it up onto 6000' reels, stopping for splices and re-attaching leaders at the appropriate points. Unfortunately, most platter houses don't have takeup belts installed and many don't even have proper reel arms.  |  IP: Logged John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 07-28-2007 09:21 AM                     Another proof that the expression; "Having half a brain is dangerous..." is true. Sad thing is, this guy probably thought he was doing a good job. He will show his fellow workers, who will show others. At the end, it makes digital the best thing that ever happened to theaters.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-28-2007 10:10 AM                     quote: John Walsh At the end, it makes digital the best thing that ever happened to theaters. How true... he and a thousand other reasons will make that happen. Mark  |  IP: Logged Michael Moore Expert Film Handler Posts: 188 From: Dover, DE / USA Registered: Jun 2006 posted 07-28-2007 12:57 PM                        quote: Scott Norwood "A much better (though more time consuming) method would have been to run the film through the projector and take it up onto 6000' reels, stopping for splices and re-attaching leaders at the appropriate points." I set movies up like this. I put the reel on projector, then run the reel on to the platter, then after the reel ends I thread up for reel two and so on, this way I can preview, inspect, and setup at the same time. also I have broken down this way as well just as you described. I did all of this before I built the FrankenMUT Mike  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-28-2007 04:09 PM                     Michael, that is also very poor practice due to the forced film handling in a bad environment (aka: not at the rewind table). I hope your frankenmut has put a stop to that.  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 07-30-2007 09:32 PM                     I couldn't watch more than a few seconds of the video in question because of its sickenly unsteady camerawork. But check out the "Related Videos" in the youtube box to the right of it. The "Projection Promo" for one, is a well-made nostalgic bio of a family, or father-and-son, era of showmanship and a projectionist who started there confronting the digital challenge.  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 07-30-2007 09:38 PM                     My short attention span led me to this too Gerard. It looks very well edited, I'd like to see the finished version, whatever, or whenever that may be. I've seen a few documentary's that just sort of fell off the face of the earth and their domains lapsed. I hope at least one comes to fruition.  |  IP: Logged Michael Moore Expert Film Handler Posts: 188 From: Dover, DE / USA Registered: Jun 2006 posted 08-04-2007 12:45 PM                        Bran The FrankenMUT does reduce tension on the film, however why is it that I hear so many people say that platters and MUTs are bad for film, (too much tension) and how change overs is soo much better and the film is not handled as much. When I was doing change overs I was handing the films <100% more then I do now. And my Goldy rewinder put plenty of tension on the film. FrankenMUT is designed to have no tension applied to the film during setup and the reel is free spinning. I have built an electronic breaking system so I can slow down the system with no damage to the film. Mike Mike  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 08-04-2007 02:53 PM                     Free spinning on loading the platter is bad. You need a bit of tension there because as you stop the platter to splice on another reel, as the platter is started again you will have film slippage on itself, meaning cinch scratches. The biggest thing to remember is that just because you don't see the damage on screen doesn't mean it isn't happening! Most people don't have enough light on their screen or good enough optics to show light film damage, but damage is damage.  |  IP: Logged

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