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Raymond Watson
Film Handler

Posts: 26
From: Waldron, Arkansas
Registered: Feb 2006


 - posted 12-13-2006 02:02 PM      Profile for Raymond Watson   Email Raymond Watson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi all,
I have been doing some reading, I guess not enough, to find out how to modify a cp200 to split the surrounds in optical format.

I am trying to dig up a signal flow diagram for a 200 , (the one in the downloads section is missing)........ anyhow.....

It has been mentioned on here many ,many times, that anything can be done with one of these babies. I want to know how to split my surrounds in optical.

I use an SRA5 and the parabolic EQ's on a 560 for P and Q,I do not have an accessory unit.

I am aware of the optical stereo surround control line on JM25 and the cat. 153,and the "future" outputs for optical P and Q from the cat 150 at JM10 pins 8 and 20.

I am aware that vectoring may play a part in the process, and will admit up front that while I understand a vector. I do not understand vectoring in the audio unmatrixing world......LOL

Come on guys give me a little help here, I am sure it can be done. Whats the big secret.................?
I am sure it will not void the warranty on my cp200 to make the mods.
I should be recieving the flow diagrams in a day or two.... anyone got any pointers on where to start? [Smile]

Ray

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


 - posted 12-13-2006 02:21 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
"Stereo surrounds" from an optical source will never happen. You can however obtain the same MONO surround signal from P and Q (also S) on the cat117/517 cards.

You have to have digital or 70mm magnetic format 43 in order to achieve actual stereo surrounds.

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Raymond Watson
Film Handler

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From: Waldron, Arkansas
Registered: Feb 2006


 - posted 12-13-2006 02:29 PM      Profile for Raymond Watson   Email Raymond Watson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks Brad......

By the way, I got my first bottle of Film-Guard and a box of pads the other day...... put it on a 10 year old print..... all I can say is.... I am impressed!
Ray

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Louis Bornwasser
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From: prospect ky usa
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 - posted 12-13-2006 05:25 PM      Profile for Louis Bornwasser   Author's Homepage   Email Louis Bornwasser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In the real world, Brad is correct. However, Dolby did offer a "pentoptical" module for the CP-100 which untied the 2 matrix outputs that are normally summed on the old 116 card. Somwhere I actually have one. Louis

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Gordon McLeod
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 - posted 12-13-2006 06:51 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wasn't the pentoptical module the same as the 110 card to get the derived centre channel

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Raymond Watson
Film Handler

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From: Waldron, Arkansas
Registered: Feb 2006


 - posted 12-14-2006 10:03 AM      Profile for Raymond Watson   Email Raymond Watson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
so to make it short....

Optical tracks do not have the surrounds information split into stereo.

The surround info is never split into "stereo P and Q" in the processor or control unit.

Correct?...................... Thanks.... Ray

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Sam D. Chavez
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From: Martinez, CA USA
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 - posted 12-14-2006 10:33 AM      Profile for Sam D. Chavez   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Optical P and Q outputs are the same as the S, that is is to say, they all are the same, mono output.

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