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Donna Siegwart
Film Handler

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From: Houston, TX
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 - posted 06-29-2006 01:18 AM      Profile for Donna Siegwart   Author's Homepage   Email Donna Siegwart   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Anyone else have any problems with Reel 3 On Devil Wears Prada? We had a color defect on ours (kept on showing a lot of 'Yellow') The on duty manager ordered a new reel, but I just wanted to see if this was a common thing with this print.

Though I must say it was a very well done movie.

-Donna

*Btw, Hello! This is my first time posting on these forums.

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Charles Greenlee
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Who was the lab? It wouldn't be Deluxe, now would it?

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Donna Siegwart
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I actually dont know which lab it was, I can check when I go to work in the morning. I wasnt the on clock projectionist, only the on duty OC.

Anyways why do you mention Deluxe? Are they bad?

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Charles Greenlee
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Bad, no, not really. They can do, and have done, some fantastic work. We've gotten prints from them that was so vibrant and clear, it'd hurt too look at it. Their problem, for the most part, seems to be QC and Consistancy. They will occasionally have a movie where they used different stocks of film to print on, which can be fine, but the color tone, or other characteristics are slightly different. Thus you end reel one, and go to reel 2, and the color is slightly warmer, or brighter, etc. Sometimes this will happen mid-reel, with a lab splice in the middle.

Also, some more minor issues are with poor printing of digital sountracks, and timecode for the DTS. Causing them to cut out.

So, yeah, a color change, or even bad coloring alltogether doesn't surpise me too much. Deluxe does it, even if not often. This is just from my experince, others my have different experinces with them.

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Donna Siegwart
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Well I will have to check it out and keep that in mind the next time this happens. But the colors after a splice did change a bit through out the movie, though since I was the only one who had projection experience out of the employees watching it, I was the only one who noticed, so its not bad enough other than the yellow tint that came about in reel 3.

I wonder if I can access this web site at work (they block alot of sites we SHOULD be able to use)

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Charles Greenlee
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Regal gives us internet acess, but only to a very small handfull of sites. You should be able too read the heads or tail to see, or it may be on the can's label. But I'm pretty sure it'll be on the film itself.

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Donna Siegwart
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Yeah Im with AMC (previously Loews building). And they even blocked us from the DTS site! Its insane! So Ill check the reels, and get back to ya on this [Wink] Thank you for your reply. Ill be sure to use the forums more often now.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Lab is DeLuxe Labs, for "Prada" is a FOX release..DeLuxe had done some printing errors in their time...due to highspeed contact printing...

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Donna Siegwart
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Looks like someone beat me to it [Smile] Thanks for the info [Smile]

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Monte L Fullmer
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www.dtsonline.com .. for that site address..

Yea, check with your booker and see if ETS will send you that replacment reel...and do tell your superiors of this changeout...for film companies really need to know the skinnies on why a reel has to be changed out.

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John Pytlak
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A color change around a lab splice is sometimes due to fogging from the "safelight" used to help the lab technician make the ultrasonic splice in the darkroom. Usually safelight fogging is blue/cyan in color.

Any lab can have a bit of reel-to-reel color variability, since the reels are often printed and processed on different days, and even on different equipment. Not a unique problem to Deluxe.

Most labs are able to keep the variation to less than a printer light or so (0.025 log exposure or 1/12 of a stop in printer exposure).

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Donna Siegwart
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Yea I remember on our 'must love dogs' print, two reels were defective (blue tint). I thought it was very odd that this one was yellow tinted, but I dont know anything about how film is processed. Ill make sure the upper management ordered a new reel.

The yellow tint went on for about 3 minutes after the 3rd reels beginning splice.

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John Pytlak
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An overall yellow/brown coloration (including the clear edges of the print) usually indicates that the unprocessed film was fogged by accidental exposure to a tungsten, daylight, or fluorescent light source. The blue-sensitive layer in print film is the most sensitive, and if fogged, will form yellow dye.

Again, if you see significant fogging of the clear areas of a print, a replacement print should be requested.

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Donna Siegwart
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Im ordering a replacement reel now (apparently the on duty manager doesnt know how to do this) so Im on the phone with the proper people now.

I just hope it comes in time for fridays first show, the yellow tint is really bothersome.

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Steve Scott
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I've seen such a defect occasionally, but not often, and in greater frequency from Deluxe, it seems. Often, it's the soundtrack wavering into the image area. I usually just splice out the defective footage, as I would a lab splice. Unless it becomes excessive in how often it occurs throughout the reel.

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