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Author Topic: CP200 Split surround John Westlund Expert Film Handler Posts: 204 From: Burney, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 02-19-2005 09:10 PM                     We have a CP200 that is being hooked up to a DTS unit. We purchased the upgrade cards we were told we would need to add split surround. I have to get this wired up before the tech comes out to do the EQ. My question is, where do the two surround channels hook up to the CP200? Do they use the P and Q terminals or do they use something else? The manual says that P and Q are for left and right rear surround but its still unclear to me.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 02-19-2005 09:23 PM                       P and Q are it. Btw, why can't your tech wire it? That must be a cushy job... just go around EQ'ing things!  |  IP: Logged John Westlund Expert Film Handler Posts: 204 From: Burney, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 02-19-2005 09:57 PM                     We don't actually have a tech, we just hire one to come out when we need something done. I work for a small 2 theatre company. The tech time is money.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-20-2005 04:56 AM                     You didn't need to buy the upgrade cards to run DTS. Yes they will offer better performance, but you didn't NEED to do it. DTS will run fine and dandy on the "stock" cards. It is SRD that requires it.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-20-2005 08:16 AM                     quote: Brad Miller You didn't need to buy the upgrade cards to run DTS. Well, installing new 517 cards makes a HUGE difference in sound quality on the 200, makes it sound like a CP-65. You will notice the most difference on the high end frequency response and they also have more headroom in the VCA's. I once did level and distortion measurements of the new vs the old card. The difference is not small! The 517's really should be installed for and or all digital formats because of their higher headroom. Other cards are not as critical as they operate at or near unity gain. You can run with the old 117's in there but the sould quality will suffer.... won't be any better than an older CP-50.... Mark  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-20-2005 09:26 AM                     Actually the single most important upgrade card is the cat 560 that will allow the dts sub to pass through a fader and eq Depending how your Aux rack is configured the P and Q terminals are used If yu use the parametric eq on the 560 then there are some jumpers needed The upgrade is best explained in the DA20 manual just sub the DTS for the DA20  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-20-2005 10:40 AM                     Agreed Gord! I was just refering to my bench testing of the 117 vs the 517 card. Mark  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-20-2005 03:08 PM                     Mark, yes I agree the audible difference is worth the cash to you and me, but if the theater is hurting so much for cash that they have to have John do all of the wiring, odds are the sound system isn't anything phenomenal. (That's not saying it is a bad system, but from the sound of things the theater doesn't have the funds to put in a full blown mega system of sorts.) With that in mind, no the 517s aren't THAT important. quote: John Westlund We purchased the upgrade cards we were told we would need to add split surround. That's the comment that prompted me to post on this. From the sound of it his dealer told him he HAD to buy them. Not so. Split surround can be had without them.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-20-2005 04:30 PM                     No but the 560 is as it is film done wrong not to have the sub level controled by the main fader  |  IP: Logged John Westlund Expert Film Handler Posts: 204 From: Burney, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 02-20-2005 11:24 PM                     I don't know what the dealer told the owner when she ordered, I just had all these parts that I had to put together As far as the sound system is concerned, its a CP200 (upgraded now thanks to help from this thread), DTS 6D, 2 QSC 1400's, 1 QSC 1500a, and 1 QSC MX1500a. As far as the speakers they are 3 JBL 4675c stage speakers, 1 JBL 4642a dual 18" sub, and EV surround speakers.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-21-2005 07:22 AM                     Actually that a fairly high end sould system! Down the road be sure to replace those 117's with 517's. You will hear a major improvement especially on the high end response. Mark  |  IP: Logged John Westlund Expert Film Handler Posts: 204 From: Burney, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 02-21-2005 01:30 PM                     Replaced the 117's with 517's yesterday  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-21-2005 01:57 PM                     (John I'm not picking on you. I'm picking on Mark because it's so fun!) quote: Actually that a fairly high end sould system! Mark, while we will agree the stage speakers are great, they are not bi-amped. Also mixing and matching JBL stage w/EV surrounds is not what I call a smart idea. Plus we have no idea what his acoustics are like.  |  IP: Logged John Westlund Expert Film Handler Posts: 204 From: Burney, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 02-21-2005 02:22 PM                     No offense taken Brad The EV surround speakers were there when the new owner bought the place. Bi-amping the system and changing out the surround speakers just aren't in the budget at this time. The stage speakers that were in the building when the new owner bought it were horrible, one of them didn't even have a speaker in it. The new JBL's will be here on tuesday.  |  IP: Logged Rich Ferrando Film Handler Posts: 64 From: Royal Oak, MI Registered: Nov 2003 posted 03-02-2005 11:06 PM                       On the same subject with this topic- our CP200 was upgraded for compatibility with our DA20 some time ago, and for some time I've been trying to trace down the source of some issues we've been having, only to be run up one dead-end after another. One of the big ones is that we're not getting any subwoofer signal. The sub works (tapped the leads with a 9-volt battery, got a healthy thump), all of the solder connections are correct, the connections to the amp are correct, and the amp is working properly. But I don't even get a signal on sub's green light on the Cat 560. Just for whatever's sake- the amps are QSC 1400's, and the sub is an EV.  |  IP: Logged

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