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Author Topic: Has Anyone Used Jack Roe Test Films? Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-28-2004 09:41 PM                     With the poor (almost non existant) availability of SMPTE test film materials Jack Roe has made their own Buzz track and other test films. Has anyone used these films and or compared them to the SMPTE materials? Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-28-2004 09:48 PM                     nope didn't know they had any there web site only list SMPTE test films for cutting appertures for years I used my ownequivelent of 35PA (that showed just the common sized lines)that I had an optical house prepare and then verify the finnished paltes against smpte 35PA  |  IP: Logged Darren Briggs Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: York, UK Registered: Dec 2001 posted 12-30-2004 03:32 PM                        Cant believe there is a shotage of Buzz track as it is the one of the most used films for A chain set ups. A collegue just ordered some 70mm line up direct from SMPTE no problem, they just made it to order, presume they would do the same for the more used 35mm  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-30-2004 07:46 PM                     70-PA is duplicated film. P35-BT (Buzz Track) is camera original film as it is currently made (it is actually a photographed target just like RP-40). The same source makes both films so if there is a 35-PA shortage, then there could quite possibly a P35-BT shortage. Steve  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-30-2004 08:24 PM                     How do they do photograph that type of target  |  IP: Logged Darren Briggs Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: York, UK Registered: Dec 2001 posted 01-01-2005 12:22 PM                        They should get off there ass and get some work done, as there is obviously a need at present Darren  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-01-2005 06:39 PM                     Its a bit funny as when you call SMPTE about test films or to chack availability they ask you to call or e-mail some people over in France to bug them about making it. Not very good for a supposed professional organization!! We did recevie a sample of the Jack Roe stuff. The only difference I see is that its recorded with different frequencies from what SMPTE is using. Initial checkout of it on an optical comparator looks very good too. So at least now there is a second choice. Mark  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-02-2005 06:34 AM                        quote: Mark Gulbrandsen Its a bit funny as when you call SMPTE about test films or to chack availability they ask you to call or e-mail some people over in France to bug them about making it. Many of the SMPTE test films were made by Stan D. of DEL in Ridgefield Connecticut. Has the vendor changed?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-02-2005 12:00 PM                     I don't know John but I will post that e-mail address here on Monday since SMPTE is giving it out. Either the source has changed or the gal at SMPTE doesn't know what she is talking about. We have had it on order for about 5 months now which IMHO is ludicrous for a standards organization. Mark  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-02-2005 04:35 PM                     Wait...P35-BT (buzz track) is done on the same apparatus that produces 35-PA, a pin-registered camera? I thought we had in the past discussed alignment issues with 35-PA being called into question because projectors are edge-registered. One would think this would be even more of an issue for buzz track, no? It seems odd that SMPTE would have put all this effort into creating 35-PL (Theatrical Projection Leader) if the existing useful test films aren't being handled. Do the test films fall under a particular committee (e.g. P3)? Who's the current chair? --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-02-2005 05:11 PM                     Yes, Stan photographed the Buzz track target to create the audio test film. Ever noticed that each frame now has its label and that there is a slight overlap? I don't believe it is the same film stock though. The camera was never in question for 35-PA...it was the film stock's slitting and perforation process. Magenta 35-IQ has always been steady and uses the same camera. Steve  |  IP: Logged Dave Bevilacqua Film Handler Posts: 5 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Nov 2003 posted 01-03-2005 07:37 PM                        Mark, thanks for the review of the new "Buzz" Track. We have already gone thru our initial stock of 500ft! We have also produced a 9kHz test film for the few people that need that as well. Both are polyester based and sold in 10' sections so you don't have to shell out a fortune for a single loop. Dave Bevilacqua Jack Roe USA Inc.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-03-2005 11:51 PM                     Hi Dave, Yea, it seems to work just fine and I'm glad there is a second source now. One HAS to wonder if Stan D and his pin regestered wonders are even still around..... or perhaps the chair of that department was relegated to an antique store or something. The film industry has had way too many long waits over the years for such a simple thing!! Thanks! Mark  |  IP: Logged Don Sneed Master Film Handler Posts: 451 From: Texas City, TX, USA Registered: Aug 2001 posted 01-07-2005 08:13 PM                        Mark you tried this new Buzz Track from Jack Roe & it seems to work fine...we are in dire need of this film, I am down to about 20' of Buzz from SMPTE....where can we get this ??? Thanks for the tip...  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-07-2005 10:00 PM                     Don, You order it from the man two posts above. Unfortunately he underestimated the amount he needed and is also out but he will have more mid January. I am also down to about 20 feet of SMPTE bizz and am saving it for an upcomming install.... but the Jack Roe stuff works just fine. Mark  |  IP: Logged

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