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Author Topic: "New" Technicolor Orange reels. Brad Allen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 688 From: Evansville, IN, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 10-01-2004 12:34 PM                     Yeah, what an improvement. 4 out of 5 of Shark Tale reels we received are the new orange reels. Two of the 4 came apart immediately when pulled out of the shipping cans. The other two were assembled incorrectly so that the drive pins wouldn't go thru the hubs. Had to dis-assemble them and put them back together correctly. This increase's the risk of film damage in my opinion. Back to the drawing board TES. And by the way TES, your delivery agent only delivered one can of Shark Tale to us, the other can was delivered to another theatre 50 miles away. Thanks, that was an un-called for afternoon jaunt. Luckily they called us in plenty of time. You still suck.  |  IP: Logged Paul Konen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 981 From: Frisco, TX. (North of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-01-2004 12:37 PM                     They are a sturdier material, yet I also had an issue with cores not installed correctly. I also feel that the center hole is slightly larger than it should so that the reel actually wobbles.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-01-2004 01:02 PM                        If it is really this difficult to manufacture a sturdy clip-together reel at a reasonable cost, then I would propose the following: TES and ETS should ship new-from-the-lab. prints just as they come: on cores, in a cardboard box. In addition, they will also ship (at the same time) regular ICC cans with the appropriate number of empty reels; these reels would be the "good" kind--Hollywood Film Company, FPC, Goldberg, etc. Theatres would use a metal split reel to rewind the new print onto their own reels/platter and would then ship the print back on the supplied empty reels. Subsequent bookings would get prints as they do now, but they would be on good, sturdy reels instead of cores with bits of broken plastic in between. The only potential issue here is that any theatre that might someday play a new first-run print would need a split reel. Total cost would be ~$100 per theatre (perhaps TES or ETS could initiate a bulk-buying program to help theatre onwers save money). If theatres are being asked to spend hundreds or thousands to upgrade their soundheads to LED reverse scan (which offers zero benefit to the exhibitor), then it is certainly reasonable to expect them to fork over $100 to buy something which they should have anyway and which would enable them to improve presentation quality for first-run prints. Normally, I oppose mandated changes which require that exhibitors spend money on anything, but I don't see what is so unreasonable about expecting all theatres to have a split reel; many already have one or more. This isn't a TES-specific issue, anyway; I've seen lots of ETS prints with damaged reels, too. Comments?  |  IP: Logged Mike Olpin Chop Chop! Posts: 1852 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Jan 2002 posted 10-01-2004 02:39 PM                     The new orange reels seem to be made of a sturdier, thicker plastic. I like them far better than the old ones that often arrive broken.  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 10-01-2004 04:41 PM                     All the new reels I recieved were properly snapped together. Give it a few weeks for the employees at the depot to get used to them.  |  IP: Logged John T. Hendrickson, Jr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 889 From: Freehold, NJ, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 10-01-2004 05:58 PM                     Overall, what I received was better than the usual. However, some of the new reels apparently emerged from the mold with irregular surfaces that were not smooth, and therefore likely to cause a problem in bench handling.  |  IP: Logged Michael Cunningham Expert Film Handler Posts: 186 From: Anchorage, AK Registered: Nov 1999 posted 10-01-2004 08:55 PM                     The five I got in my three copies of "Shark Tale" were all put together properly. They appear to be made of sturdier material and the clip design is more stable than previous attempts. I've never been a big fan of TES, but this seems like a step in the right direction, so far. The note I received with the prints said they were requesting input on them to use while working with an industry professional on future improvements. Is that you Brad? - Mike  |  IP: Logged Wolff King Morrow Master Film Handler Posts: 490 From: Denton, TX, USA Registered: Feb 2004 posted 10-01-2004 09:06 PM                        Almost all of the orange reels I got were horribly bent. I had to build slowly so as to make sure the reels were not thrown from the rod. Other than that, they looked decent.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-01-2004 09:06 PM                     Yes, they are implementing the half dozen design flaws I pointed out to them a week or two ago on their next mold. Should be about 2 months.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 10-01-2004 10:08 PM                        quote: John T. Hendrickson, Jr some of the new reels apparently emerged from the mold with irregular surfaces that were not smooth quote: Wolff King Morrow Almost all of the orange reels I got were horribly bent. Shoot and ship, shoot and ship, shoot and ship! Sounds like whoever is manufacturing these reels didn't quote them properly and are running them faster than they should, and by the sounds of it, way too hot (but are lowering their cycle times, and warping the reels, due to the excess temperature). Either that or they're just incompetent, lots of those folks in the business too. I bet they call their moulds dies.  |  IP: Logged Dean Kollet Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 591 From: Florida State University Registered: Jul 2003 posted 10-01-2004 11:05 PM                     the ones we got were fine...and we usually get broken ones. I don't know if I like them yet....the black ones which look similiar (more holes) seem almost the same to me...  |  IP: Logged Steve Scott Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1300 From: Minneapolis, MN Registered: Sep 2000 posted 10-02-2004 03:34 PM                     We had already received Open Water on the new reels. But Shark Tale was the straw that broke the camel's back for us. All 4 prints had the first reel on one of the new orange reels, and none of them were tightly snapped in. They were just as wobbly as many of the translucent TES reels I've received By the way, who is the "industry veteran" who "has pledged suggestions for the new reel mold," as stated in the memo enclosed with Shark Tale? Brad...?  |  IP: Logged David Buckley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 525 From: Oxford, N. Canterbury, New Zealand Registered: Aug 2004 posted 10-02-2004 06:16 PM                        quote: Scott Norwood TES and ETS should ship new-from-the-lab. prints just as they come: on cores, in a cardboard box Thats exactly how all prints arrive here. And leave here, on the odd occasion someone else wants them. Is there some reason why you guys get film on reels and we dont?  |  IP: Logged Jason Black Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1723 From: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 10-03-2004 06:07 PM                        I wondered if Brad was the 'industry veteran' myself.. The orange reels we rec'd in our THREE prints of Shark Tale all seemed to be in good order. None snapped together loose and all with drive pin holes properly lined up. Time is the only true test for these reels however. Sure, like the Orange film cans, they look nice and new now.. but give it a few weeks worth of circulation.. then you'll see how they "really" hold up...  |  IP: Logged Adam Budweg Film Handler Posts: 22 From: Lorain, Ohio, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 10-03-2004 07:50 PM                     A few weeks to get used to the new ones. They havent gotten used to putting the old ones together correctly. If they're gonna use new reels they should scrap all of the old ones. To many times have a recieved reels with mismatched parts, and this always leads to the reel falling apart or at least needing reassembeled.  |  IP: Logged

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