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Author Topic: I've Never Used FILMGUARD Edward Jurich Master Film Handler Posts: 305 From: Las Vegas USA Registered: Jul 2003 posted 02-26-2004 08:05 AM                     I'm going to try and talk a theater to install a cleaner system for FILMGUARD. Since I've never done this, are there any instruction or pictures on how this is set up. This is a single screen theater and up to now has never gotten a brand new print. However, they are running "Passion" and I spent the first 2 shows preventing brain wraps on reels 6 and 7 with my hands. Those last 2 reels were clinging and wrapping like crazy. The 3rd show no problem. I'm hopeful that a cleaning/lube system would prevent this.  |  IP: Logged Jeff Taylor Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 601 From: Chatham, NJ/East Hampton, NY Registered: Apr 2000 posted 02-26-2004 08:21 AM                     By all means do start using it--especially if you don't typically get pristine prints. It will make even well used prints glisten. Push the "Products" tab on the left side of the screen for a rundown on FG.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 02-26-2004 03:34 PM                        The Kelmar dry web media cleaner manual describes how to mount the cleaner. This manual comes with the cleaner, but it's something to read up on. Instructions for FilmGuard use are under "What do I need to use FilmGuard?" about half way down this page. Ironically the instructions that come with each FilmGuard bottle aren't available for download here. I guess nobody sent in a copy.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-26-2004 08:04 PM                     It's posted somewhere, but it may not be in the manuals section. FilmGuard instructions  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 02-26-2004 08:15 PM                        If I remember correctly there's a link in some thread to the PDF file somewhere, but that's it.  |  IP: Logged Aldo Baez Master Film Handler Posts: 266 From: USA Registered: Mar 2001 posted 02-27-2004 01:19 AM                    I have a problem with filmguard not drying out fast enough. It takes 2-3 days for the flimguard to finally "dry" I suppose and I can turn down the gate tension. Is there something I am doing wrong? I only run the print through once, I don't think I am putting a huge amount of filmguard on. I followed the directions but I can't figure out why it takes so long.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-27-2004 02:10 AM                     It's not supposed to dry, but perhaps I'm not understanding the question. Are you saying that you have to keep the gate tension raised for 3 days instead of that one show during application? What kind of projector are you running?  |  IP: Logged Brad Allen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 688 From: Evansville, IN, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 02-27-2004 02:02 PM                     I too am ready to dive into the film guard camp. couple of questions: I'm only going to buy one cleaner, and move between 3 screens. I have a Potts (18 yrs old if that helps) 5 tier platter on two screens. Anyone successfully mounted a cleaner to this tree? It leaves very little room. Suggestions appreciated so I don't have to re-invent the wheel. Kelmar or Christie cleaner? Which is the better? Kelmar site list's a model 35-A with Autowind bracket? Is this a universal bracket or is it intended for an Autowind platter? Will the cleaner create enough drag to cause problems with a top platter tree mounted tension sensor? IE: cause it to shut down erroneously. Thanks!  |  IP: Logged Kevin Wale Expert Film Handler Posts: 167 From: Guymon, OK USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 02-27-2004 02:13 PM                     With the Strongs and Simplexes in Guymon, I never had this problem... On the Model C the streaks that appear when you first apply FG would never dissappear. They weren't as obvious, but If I looked real close, I could always see a hint of those streaks on the screen. Could that have been a result of too little lighting(I can only assume that the heat from the lamp would affect the way the FG spreads over time) or is it something inherent with that model projector? Even with that, the advantages of using FG are so awesome in how it takes care of the print over a long run, I never really worried about very hard to see streaks. I just wondered because I had never had that problem in the past.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-27-2004 05:11 PM                     Christie stopped making cleaners back in the 70s I think. The only manufacturer currently making new units is Kelmar. Yes, you want the one with the Autowind bracket. That is the only platter bracket made, and you can easily drill and tap two mounting holes in the side of your Potts platter tree. Look here for pics Different types of projectors, film stocks, lab work, cleaning media and takeup winding tension will affect how fast the streaks smooth out. Most all combinations will eliminate the streaking from being projected after 1 or 2 passes.  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 02-27-2004 11:21 PM                     Good note for anyone new to film gurad. Take Brad's advice and cut the media pads in half for any movie 6 reels or less. You will save a lot that way.  |  IP: Logged Aldo Baez Master Film Handler Posts: 266 From: USA Registered: Mar 2001 posted 02-28-2004 12:35 AM                    Yes Brad, I have to keep the gate tension raised for at least a couple of days. I have all Christie P35GPS projectors. Granted my gate bands probably have never been changed since we opened (about 6 years ago) but I run almost all the projectors at the 2 setting and have to raise it to 3 for a few days when running a print with filmguard. I don't know what it could be.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-28-2004 05:23 AM                     Aldo, check the instructions that come with the bottle regarding those projectors. Due to the gate design, you need to make a slight modification to either the tension spring (adding a second one) or the easier (and cheaper) way is to sandwich a thin piece of cardboard at the top of each gate band to tense it up just a tad. Find the minimum setting you need to run with freshly soaked pads, then just leave it.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 02-29-2004 01:48 AM                     quote: Good note for anyone new to film gurad. Take Brad's advice and cut the media pads in half for any movie 6 reels or less. You will save a lot that way. What about just keeping it going? I usually run a 5 to 6 reel print through the pads, then move the cleaner to another short movie and continue on. The supply cores end up with maybe a reel's worth of media or so, and I never had them run out. Then I just rewind the whole roll. I've always wondered this: What about using the other side of the pad? On the Kelmar cleaner, if you swap the two supply cores, the film will be running across the other side of the media. Could this be done to get even more use out of the pads, or would that be pushing it? =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 03-01-2004 02:49 AM                     Thomas, I have done both of those methods you mentioned, but I just assume that Brad knows what he is talking about and did what he said.  |  IP: Logged

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