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Author Topic: MiT platter design review Bevan Wright Expert Film Handler Posts: 176 From: Fountain Valley, CA, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 01-13-2004 12:22 PM                        Hello everyone, The ideas and suggestions on the console design were so relevant and helpful that we would like to take this opportunity to do the same with the platter. Again, not re-inventing the wheel here, going with what we know works and updating as the ideas and resources allows. We look forward to your comments and suggestions, and although we may not be able to implement everyone’s suggestions into the products, we certainly appreciate your participation and will consider them all. Features • Solid-state control circuit - Platter and make-up table drive electronics are compatible/pluggable cards • IR/Photo-diode control sensors • Independent, optimized payout and take-up control sensors – 180deg payout filter and 70 deg take-up filter for more precision and graduated acceleration. • Integrated film payout 'over-tension' sensor and take-up 'not ready' sensors – contact closure interface to any automation. • 52in [1.32m] scratch resistant decks with 'micro-groove' textured surfaces – single sided spun aluminum decks with a second disk bonded to the lower edge for support instead of the typical ribs. Advantage, no ‘head smacking’ or ‘fan effect’ from the ribs. • Fixed roller clusters, no slide bar • Bodine drive motors – natural rubber drive wheels. • Self-aligning in-coming and out-going guide rollers • ‘Over center spring’ motor release mechanism • LED power indication and threading lights • Standard film cleaner mounting provisions • Recessed center feed plate - film aligns perfectly with protective keeper rollers • Elevated payout rollers • Large and small diameter take-up rings • Bronze roller bearings/bushings on all rollers and keepers • Packaging design to reduce on-site set-up time • Vertical or horizontally configurable make-up table • Colors – Column (Blue), Rollers (Grey), Deck (Grey), Brackets (Black).  |  IP: Logged Mike Olpin Chop Chop! Posts: 1852 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Jan 2002 posted 01-13-2004 12:28 PM                     The platter should not be rim-drivin so that we can use Brad's new Giant-Platter-Guard-Ring-Thingy.  |  IP: Logged Bob Peticolas Film Handler Posts: 73 From: Mesilla, New Mexico Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-13-2004 01:34 PM                        Could the drive motor be on the INSIDE of the rim? This would allow Brad's Platter Guard to fit.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-13-2004 02:00 PM                     I have always been a fan of the use of an edge rim drive as it gives the greatest speed differential between the motor and platter What about putting the motor so it drives on the inside edge of the rim lip  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 01-13-2004 02:05 PM                        If I'm not mistaken, it looks like the decks are driven internally. Hard to tell though, drawing two conflicts with drawings one and three.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-13-2004 02:09 PM                     I am sending Bevan a "Safety Ring" (yes, that's what they are called), so he can play with one. Let's see.... Takeoff rollers are too low as pictured. (Perhaps the drawing is not to scale.) Model the keeper from the late model Christie design please. There has never been a keeper that wonderful before. Fixed roller clusters? Not sure I like that. Kids tend to get confused when there are tons of rollers. The slide bar is better. Self-aligning incoming and outgoing rollers...there should be a stop bracket of some sort. Strong's platter is like this and it's awful annoying because you have to hold the roller still with one hand while putting the film into the roller with the other. If there were "stops" that could be preset for maximum self-aligning pivot (say 45 degrees worth), that would be great. When brain is removed, there isn't a way for the film to "fall down" through the platter deck, is there? (See the review for Strong platters.) Please...small center rings no smaller than 19". Is there some sort of film tensioner in the payout? (I am assuming you are doing this as semi-modeled from an AW3.) Black rollers please!!! Speaking of rollers, please model the part of them which makes contact with the film like the green Christie rollers. That makes it easy to slide the film in and out of them, unlike the older style black ones with the hard ridges and rollers like Kinoton which are ridiculously tapered inward. Not everyone is 7 feet tall! Don't pull a Big Sky and put that film cleaner bracket up there. Put it where the AW3 has it or the mount is useless. I would like to see drawings of the MUT. The motor DOES stay in contact with the platter during breakdown to provide backtension, right? Any platter that doesn't gets an "F" rating for poor film handling on shipout.  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 01-13-2004 02:15 PM                     Is that a film cleaner bracket near the top of the column? That's kind of high. There are a lot of short people in the booth. One should be able to operate the cleaner (rewind the media) without needing to stand on something or remove the cleaner from the column.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-13-2004 02:22 PM                        I, too, would like to see the MUT. Since most platter damage seems to happen during makeup and breakdown, this is critical. Agreed with Brad's comment about the keeper brackets that Christie uses on AW3s. They're the best that I have seen. Is this platter designed for 35mm only or will there be a 70mm kit available? Any chance of a 16mm kit, too? What is the process for switching between formats?  |  IP: Logged Bevan Wright Expert Film Handler Posts: 176 From: Fountain Valley, CA, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 01-13-2004 02:58 PM                        Mike, Gordon - Drive is internal pushing out on platter rim. Adam - Film cleaner location not set yet, we may have two top/bottom. Brad - Will raise the take-off rollers. Swivel of rollers is limited. Keeper brackets are tough, requires a VERY expensive 4-piece mold. Platter deck is solid - no film falling through it. We had planned on a dark grey roller with black keeper. Still working on the MUT - any suggestions on favorite features?  |  IP: Logged Max Biela Film Handler Posts: 89 From: Dortmund, Germany Registered: Sep 2003 posted 01-13-2004 03:00 PM                     hi! What about the Pay out unit? PLEASE put some Rollers around it! The best Payout unit I've ever saw is from an Ernemann Platter. The platter is crap but check out the Payout! You can also plug it in and out VERY easy without damaging rollers or the arm. Speaking of the arm, these "Guards" are also very helpful when dealing with sticking layers. Max  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 01-13-2004 03:05 PM                        Does anybody have a picture or technical drawing of these fancy keeper rollers?  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-13-2004 03:06 PM                        Regarding the MUT: The vertical AW3 MUT is pretty good. As crazy as it sounds, I'd love to see a footpedal speed control in addition to the knob; this would make breakdowns faster and easier. It would also be nice to have an easier way to switch between 1/2" and 5/16" shafts without needing a screwdriver to remove the screw that holds the shaft. I'd personally prefer a MUT that is slightly larger than the AW3 version (to give more space for splicer, head and tail leaders, bands, etc.), but I'm sure that others will say that the AW3 MUT is too big.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-13-2004 03:39 PM                     Access panels so that hands can reach in and grab/hold things inside the column or support arms. The AW MUT is great. Not sure about the foot pedal -- perhaps as an optional attachment? I like the rollers around that payout head in the photo (above) but not the payout head itself. It's just plain ugly! I agree with Brad's take on having all those rewind cluster rollers. The slider is the better solution but I have to wonder about how similar this "new" platter can be to an AW3R before it becomes a legal problem.  |  IP: Logged David Favel Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 764 From: Ashburton, New Zealand Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-13-2004 03:52 PM                     What about the 5/16 shaft with a 1/2" sleeve to screw onto it?  |  IP: Logged Bevan Wright Expert Film Handler Posts: 176 From: Fountain Valley, CA, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 01-13-2004 05:03 PM                        Here's a look at the center feed plate design. I'm liking the Ernemann/Kinoton guide arm guards idea - we'll look at working that in. Scott - 35mm only.  |  IP: Logged

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