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Author Topic: Deluxe frameline guides for retards Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-24-2003 03:00 PM                     This is a continuation thread from here. Deluxe Hollywood is the worst offender of those marks (is anyone surprised by this anymore?) I'd have to double check the print to verify which Deluxe lab it came from though. Examples:  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 10-24-2003 06:28 PM                    Is it that difficult to print framelines only without nonsense at the sides of the frame? When this exists in the last 3 feet of leader on a first reel (my punch-in point) I've gotten into the habbit of slugging it with a bit of extra solid black if sound pull-up is not affected. If it is I put front and back splice tape where there is no splice so I can punch in just after that nonsense when I hear it go through.  |  IP: Logged Edward Jurich Master Film Handler Posts: 305 From: Las Vegas USA Registered: Jul 2003 posted 10-24-2003 11:08 PM                     A 4 foot length of leader with frame lines can be used as a reference to lay over reel ends that end or begin with fades from black. If they want to put frame line marks why can't they put them on the edge between sprocket holes.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 10-25-2003 07:38 AM                        quote: If they want to put frame line marks why can't they put them on the edge between sprocket holes. Of course frame lines markes cannot be printed in an area that interferes with any of the digital soundtrack formats. So the only place left would be between the perfs on the opposite side of the Dolby Digital data. This would require every printer to be modified to expose that area too. Much simpler to correct the original printing leader being used, so it doesn't show marks in the picture area, yet produces easy to see thin white framelines.  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 10-25-2003 11:09 AM                     Like Steve K. said, if it doesnt affectt eh audio, I cut off an extra frame. If it does then I just color it in with a black sharpie so it doesnt show on screen.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-25-2003 01:07 PM                     The Sharpie thing only works if your light levels on screen aren't all that bright. I like for my viewers to wear sunglasses when watching a movie.  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 10-25-2003 01:13 PM                     It is still visible, but I think it's a lot less annoying than having white bars on the side of the screen.  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-25-2003 04:47 PM                        a lot of older film does have a little hashmark between every 4th perf, not printed in but somehow embedded in the stock (i think). maybe it can't be done with polyester film, otherwise it would still be a good idea on the non-soundtrack side. of course they were never guaranteed to be on the frameline, but it's easy to figure out by comparison where the frameline is. carl  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 10-27-2003 08:52 AM                        I've heard from a contact at Deluxe that they are already in the process of replacing this printing leader: quote: This issue about extraneous lines on the edge of the black frames before the first frame of picture was resolved a short time ago. We have recently updated our theatrical academy leaders and one of the changes included this issue most recently described. There will be product with the new leaders printed in going into production soon.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 10-27-2003 08:57 AM                    Red stripes printed through the SDDS track would be wonderful.  |  IP: Logged Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 10-27-2003 02:14 PM                     We get those on European prints too. I hope Deluxe London etc. will follow suit. If you think that's bad, another lab here were using blue and red opaque material for the blank section at the end of the leader and at the beginning of the tail runout up until very recently. Thanks John!  |  IP: Logged

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