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Author Topic: T-3 bad reel #3 Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 07-02-2003 08:50 AM                    Anyone else out there have severe fogging issues with reel #3. I had 14 or 15 areas through out the reel that had the bluish tint all over the film. I was able to get a replacement before our special showings.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-02-2003 11:21 AM                        Bluish fogged areas are usually due to excessive exposure to the amber colored or sodium vapor "safelights" used in lab darkrooms. Safelight fogging issues are usually random, and operator dependent, and often occur near "lab splices". Request a replacement reel: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/illumination/page01.blind  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 07-02-2003 02:25 PM                        One of our member drive-ins had to get 3 reels replaced... severe fogging around lab splices.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-02-2003 03:00 PM                        Replacing reels is a hassle for both the theatre and the distributor, and costly for the labs. So the source of the problem will eventually be fixed, or "re-educated" as to the proper way to use darkroom lighting. Past experience often shows an operator who has modified the lab's approved procedures by tampering with the safelights, or using "task lighting" improperly.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 07-02-2003 06:38 PM                    That reel did not have one single Lab splice in it so what were they doing or causing the excess light to hit the raw stock for no reason.  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-03-2003 01:16 AM                     I also had a deffective reel 3. The fogging in mine happened every six inches or so and was yellowish in tint.  |  IP: Logged Tim Sherman Expert Film Handler Posts: 125 From: North Ridgeville, OH, USA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 07-04-2003 07:18 AM                        I am the one that jack is talking about. I had to replace reels 2, 4, and 6. All three had green fogging around the lab splice. They were also drive-in prints of the movie so that made me a bit more nervous about getting replacement reels. good thing the film came in monday night and not tues like usual. Called in tues morning and got all three new reels on wed direct from the lab.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-04-2003 08:14 AM                        The rash of safelight fogging problems being reported on this production makes me suspect that there was a new operator unfamiliar with the proper lab procedures for handling darkroom illumination. Holiday and vacation time often puts substitute personnel on the line. Each replacement reel represents a loss of several hundred dollars to the lab, so it's likely they have already addressed the source of the problem.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-04-2003 01:01 PM                     Amazingly I haven't seen any fogging examples in the last several months on any print from any lab. Guess I've been lucky.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 07-04-2003 02:06 PM                        quote: Holiday and vacation time often puts substitute personnel on the line. "From Justin to Kelly" would have been a better training ground.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-05-2003 06:35 PM                     Brad -- They're just afraid of you unleashing your wrath upon them! You just don't send Brad Miller a bad print. Just like you're not supposed to bump "consumer advocate" Ralph Nader from a flight. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-05-2003 08:51 PM                     I've had more than my fair share of defective prints. I just send 'em back.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-05-2003 10:50 PM                        Why would the labs not train an operator with the proper procedures? Also, why would they "modify" or tamper with something like safelights, etc? These are not sarcastic questions, I am really curious!  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-06-2003 11:15 AM                        People are people. Someone might feel they need a bit more light, and deliberately scratch or fade the safelight filter, or move it too close to the film. Misuse of safelight "flashlights" is an ongoing problem. An operator new to an area may take a few seconds longer to make a lab splice. Violations of lab safelight procedures are hard to police, and usually aren't found until after-process inspection, or fogged areas of reels are found in theatres. Remember, we're talking about 50 million feet of film for a large release, so not every incident of fogging will be caught if someone is randomly "breaking the rules".  |  IP: Logged

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