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Steve Anderson
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We have a Strong-X 16 lamphouse with a Kni-Tron Rectifier.
It takes 20 minutes to strike. ( 2k bulb )
I would like to determine if I need a new ignitor or is the rectifier a problem. As you can see in the pics the rectifier is set as high as it can go. I have no manuals for either one so I do not want to go poking around in something I am not familiar with. Any help?
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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Have you tried the manual strike button? Does it strike tha lamp, but the lamp doesn't start? What is your no-load DC voltage....no lamp lit? These things will help. Also, to forewarn you, parts for these are basically non-existant...they were forst manufactures when I was in 2nd grade....now that IS a long time ago It is however its possible to replace the ignitor with a more modern one if it is bad to keep it servicable. The old Osram ignitor in there is a bit odd and tricky to find parts for...especially the relay.
Mark @ CLACO

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Gordon McLeod
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The ignitor in most X16's I have come across were made by Sola
check the no loadvoltage It is possible that the boost supply section of the transformer has failed and it is just taking a long time for the output caps to build up a highenough peak voltage to fire the lamp
Also remember that most of the old verticle systems were designed around the older osram specs of a open circuit voltage of 65-85 volts and most of the newer lamps need over 100 to light comfortably

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Steve Anderson
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Manual strike takes the same amount of time.
Dumb question..... where do you measure the noload voltage?

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Gordon McLeod
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measure it across the dc ouput terminals on the rectifier

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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You would measure the no load voltage at a convenient point at either the DC output of the rectifier....or the DC input at the X-16 which I believe is in the back under the round cover. I've seen the Sola ignitors back in the Midwest area, but the ones still running out here are all Osram ignitors. The ignotor should "ZAP" the lamp right away even if the DC fomr the rectifier is not at max no load.
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Gordon McLeod
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Never seen an Osram ignitor
The only german ones I have come across are Siemens (used in older Kinton and Zeis lamphouses) and Bauch ones used in some Bauers

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