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Author Topic: Down with love in Panavision? Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 05-13-2003 05:21 AM                     Further to the discusssion in feature info. So if it's filmed in Pananvision how come 20th Century fox are allowed to put 'Cinemascope' on the opening titles without getting sued by Panavision?  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 05-13-2003 07:30 AM                    Sued for what? The Panavision rental contract calls for screen credit; their credit is there. I have not personally read their contract but presumably it doesn't insist on exclusivity. Further, even if it did "A CinemaScope Picture" can mean whatever Fox says it does. In the latter years of CinemaScope the process trademark, it did often refer to a film shot with Panavision lenses. Finally, and most importantly, on this film the CinemaScope card is part of the creative content of the film; not really a credit. I doubt Panavision is going to want to interfere with that.  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 05-13-2003 08:47 AM                     Michael I guess you did not get the joke. The movie is a romantic comedy, just like the films Fox made in the 50's. As part of the setting for the film. Fox is using its own CinemaScope trademark logo, to give it that 50's feel.  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 05-13-2003 08:49 AM                     But it's just if you say something is a shoe when really it is a pair of trousers.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 05-13-2003 08:55 AM                        It is much more similar than shoes and trousers since the Panavison processes are based on and have developed from the Fox CinemaScope of the 50s.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 05-13-2003 09:02 AM                        History of the "scope" format: http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/wingcs1.htm http://www.in70mm.com/newsletter/2002/67/panavision/panavision_invention.htm http://www.soc.org/opcam/10_jd97/mg10_wide.html  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-13-2003 10:16 AM                     Many early MGM scope films had the credit CINEMASCOPE LENS BY PANAVISION  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 05-13-2003 10:27 AM                     Wasn't the credit on the Todd-AO movie "South Pacific" lens by Panavision. ________________________________________________________________ Thanks John I forgot if it was Panavision or Bausch Lomb lens. Thanks for the correction. Bill  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 05-13-2003 10:35 AM                        quote: Wasn't the credit on the Todd-AO movie "South Pacific" lens by Panavision. Discussion of lenses used for "South Pacific": http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/wingto8.htm Evidently a Panavision lens was used for the reduction printing of the 65mm to squeezed 35mm for the 35mm prints.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 05-13-2003 01:02 PM                    The MicroPanatar is mentioned in conjunction with 65mm and VistaVision effects production on movies into at least the 1980's; perhaps it was a later version. ILM had a custom anamorphic lens ground for the optical printer they built for Empire (and later films) to composite VV down to 4-perf anamorphic. (The pictures of it, showing vertical running projector heads and horizontal running camera, confused me at first til I realized that the image was going sideways through it!)  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 05-13-2003 01:13 PM                        All of Fox's early CinemaScope films did state "CinemaScope Lens (es) by Boush & Lomb (Sp?) in the credits which was at the beginning instead of the end of the movie. I recall Panavision getting credited for the lens many years later. -Claude  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 05-13-2003 01:16 PM                        I still say the Panavision logo (and sound logos for that matter) belong in the opening credits, not the end.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 05-13-2003 01:24 PM                    It would be worth experimenting with putting Panavision into the theatre newspaper ads along with the sound format to differentiate from the competition and see if it lures in a few more customers. But only for true anamorphic films; none of this grainy Super 35 crap.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 05-13-2003 01:32 PM                        Is X-2 Super-35? It looked pretty darned good if it is. Must be at least partly due to being on Vision Premiere? Filmgoers need to be reminded at every opportunity WHY seeing movies in a theatre is the only REAL way to see them. Shove those logos in everyone's face!  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 05-13-2003 01:40 PM                        That would only work if the actual presentation would live up to what all these cool logos promise. Which it rarely does in most places.  |  IP: Logged

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