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Author Topic: question on ASR-40 Scott Balko Expert Film Handler Posts: 136 From: Redwood Falls, Minnesota, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 01-06-2003 09:03 PM                     What is the difference between the low cost C.E. ASR-40 analog reader and the costlier ones? If there is no difference in sound quality, why is the more expensive reader still offered? If you had your choice, which analog reader would you install(among all brands)?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-06-2003 09:10 PM                     The BACP and no other! The ASR-40 and others are also very good but don't offer the installation convenience and build quality that the BACP offers. The LED's on the BACP are also very handy at times. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-06-2003 09:26 PM                     The 40 series is indeed a lower cost unit. Some short cuts were taken with it...there are no adjustments on it for lateral position, for instance. The 30 series reader is considered essential for a combo digital analog soundhead in order to ensure both the digital and analog readers are optimized. For readers...I like the Component Engineering stuff. I do mostly basement readers so the BACP doesn't fit my typical installation. I like the Kelmar readers and actually think they have better tracking than most (digital) but for installations in Century projectors one has to do too much surgury to the casting of the soundhead. Steve  |  IP: Logged Scott Balko Expert Film Handler Posts: 136 From: Redwood Falls, Minnesota, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 01-06-2003 09:42 PM                     I'm not familiar with BACP. Can you give me a link?  |  IP: Logged Bob Koch Expert Film Handler Posts: 183 From: williams ca Registered: Nov 2001 posted 01-06-2003 09:59 PM                     Regardless of what Guttag says, Sam Chavez designed both of these readers, including Purdy`s[not one of my favorites] you can reach BACP readers ;www.bacp@aol.com  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-06-2003 10:02 PM                        From the ITEA Membership Directory: http://www.itea.com/members/b.htm Bay Area Cinema Products 1025 Pine Meadow Court Martinez, CA 94553 925.372.7603, fax 925.372.7658 Sam Chavez Bay Area Cinema Products is a manufacturer of complete "turn key" audio racks for cinemas as well as various audio accessories to ease sound system installation. It is also a full-line cinema equipment dealer. As a dealer, we offer products from Dolby, QSC, Strong, EVI Audio and Ultra-Stereo, to name a few. As a manufacturer, we offer the finest in cost-effective audio racks that cut installation time to a bare minimum.  |  IP: Logged Don Olson Film Handler Posts: 20 From: Seattle WA Registered: Jul 99 posted 01-07-2003 11:40 AM                        The difference between the 30 and 40 series readers are essentially as Steve G. outlines. The readers are made of the same active parts and assembled in a less expensive manner. The LED end of the product is identical in both kits. The power supply that is included with the 30 kits is a module that plugs into a chassis. This is simple for non technical persons to swap when trouble shooting. The 40 series supply has plugs on all the wiring connections and takes a little more effort to swap. FYI.....The original Component Engineering reader with IR led was already being field tested in Landmark Theatres before S.Chavez came on the scene. I was doing the testing. First hand...............  |  IP: Logged Jim Alexander Film Handler Posts: 71 From: Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada Registered: Nov 1999 posted 01-07-2003 08:24 PM                        As I am not all that familiar with any of the other LED readers, I cannot make comment on them. I installed the ASR-40 in my theatre this past summer and I was very impressed with it. Installation was very easy and other than a stupit mistake on my part, everything worked very well. I had a choice of using the Kelmar LED reader or the ASR-40. The reason I chose the ASR was because it did not require any machining to my projector as the Kelmar did. Also, price was a very big factor. At almost 60% of the price, it looked like the best choice all around. BTW, I found out about the ASR-40 through this site... Thanks guys  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-07-2003 08:30 PM                     What soundhead do you have as I haven't had to remachine for one brand more or less than the other. Depending on vintage issues of scanner drum clearances and slit tube mounting are equal  |  IP: Logged Jim Alexander Film Handler Posts: 71 From: Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada Registered: Nov 1999 posted 01-07-2003 09:11 PM                        I have the R-3 on a Century C projector. According to the Kelmar Rep, the Impedance Drum needed to be machined down a couple of thou to allow the fitting of the LED and mount.  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 01-07-2003 10:13 PM                     The machining of the drum is sometimes necessary on Westrex and or Indian machines since the camfered edge on the drum is usually thicker and the Kelmar LED mount does not allow much gap due to the size of the unit. On installs we carry a spare sound drum if we have to exchange it and reuse ( if salvageable ) the old one after some machine work  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-08-2003 01:52 AM                     If you had the northern electric version then machineing would be need with almost any led if you wanted a flat illumination. The CE reader could usually be made to work but the illumination isn't even unless some machineing is done. Also the Northern Electric scanners were much harder than the american or westrex one were and they have to be ground down not just lathe turned  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-08-2003 06:38 AM                     Never had any problems with the many Northern Electric reproducers I brought down from Canada. Was using the early Kelmar scanners on them at the time and they set up really nice.......must be the magnetic influence  |  IP: Logged Greg Mueller Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1687 From: Port Gamble, WA Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-08-2003 09:32 AM                        "Sam Chavez designed both of these readers, including Purdy`s" Bzzzt........wrong  |  IP: Logged Clint Koch Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1435 From: San Luis Obispo, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-08-2003 12:58 PM                     I am placing this response for Sam Chavez of BACP as he is unable to do so at this time. I spoke with Sam and this was his response... "My original role in the basement reader project as follows. The design concept came from Lonny Jennings and me as employees of Dolby Labs in early 1992. My role was in promotion of the new technology and in selecting vendors to participate in the project. I also supervised the implementation of Dolby's basement (I still prefer the term, Inboard) reader hardware by various vendors; among them Component Engineering, Kelmar, Strong and Cinemeccanica.  |  IP: Logged

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