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Richard Miller
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From: Lafayette, IN, USA
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Every month our company requires us to do a Xenon bulb report and I was wondering what is the easiest way to check the voltage running across the bulb.

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Dustin Mitchell
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Divide the bulb wattage by the amperage.

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John Pytlak
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Some lamphouses/consoles use a meter that can be switched between measuring current and voltage. If so, be sure the meter is periodically calibrated to read correctly.

If measuring voltage output of the rectifier, remember that the ignition pulse can "fry" your voltmeter, and perhaps even give you a nasty high voltage shock. So measure open circuit (lamp not lit) voltage with the igniter disabled, and operating voltage (lamp lit) after the lamp has stabilized and you are sure the igniter won't strike again. Always follow safety precautions around energized circuits to avoid electrocuting yourself.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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Why would the company want to know the voltage? It would be easier and safer for 'lesser trained' projectionists to just read off the amperage and supply that. It tells them basically the same thing.

Any xenon bulb report I've seen is limited to (for each bulb):

- Projector/Aud. #
- Serial Number
- Make
- Wattage
- Running Amps
- Physical Appearance (blackening, etc.)
- # Hours on Bulb
- # Hours before replacement

and

- # of new bulbs on hand of each wattage used.


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Richard Miller
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I think the reason they ask is because the wattage can vary a little bit. A 2000 W bulb will not always run at 2000 W so we caculate the actual wattage.

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Dustin Mitchell
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Well, that kind of rules out my method.

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German Marin
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I measure ripple, volt and amperage. Ripple in Christie rectifiers is too high, between 1.6 (2000W) and 2.1 (3000W). Amperage gauge is not accurate.

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Michael Schaffer
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John,
how do you recalibrate the meter?

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John Pytlak
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To recalibrate the meter, another meter having known calibration is used. For current, a calibrated ammeter is inserted into the line. In most cases, the lamphouse ammeter is connected across a shunt with a wire that has an adjustable position to allow calibration.

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Steve Guttag
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One of the slick things Christie has done with their lamphouses is to have the shunt with a slotted hole in it. Using this, you can calibrate the meter and have the meter read "0" when the unit is off.

Steve

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Rick Long
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If your chain is like most of them, the xenon-bulb reports go to a head office where they will be filed in a drawer without ever being studied. (Paper-work is important to these office types, else the head honchos might catch them doing nothing).

In our case, one theatre had simply sent the same bulb report (after changing the date) for five months before it was noticed, and only then by a technician who went to the theatre expecting to find at least two spare bulbs of the type he was looking for. and found none.

And you think these guys have half a clue what voltage is?

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John Pytlak
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Rick Long wrote: "...the xenon-bulb reports go to a head office where they will be filed in a drawer without ever being studied. (Paper-work is important to these office types, else the head honchos might catch them doing nothing)." [Frown]

I agree that if the data is not used, taking it is meaningless. However, plotting lamp voltage and current can identify erratic lamp behavior and help predict lamp failure. It can also identify when connections are poor (e.g., voltage suddenly going up to maintain constant current may show a poor connection).

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Rick Long
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I totally agree, John, provided the reports are studied by, at least those who fill them out (hopefully the projectionist).

If a side-by-side comparison of the preceeding month's reports show an indicator changing state as time goes on, then it may indeed be an indication of impending failure, which can be avoided.

With booth staff changing in some of our theatres as often as the school seasons, however, either interest in such a project, or the necessary understanding may be lacking.

On a similar note, I had suggested at one time, that we get a copy of all the Performance Interuption Reports from all of the theatres that we service, so that we might spot problems that occur with some frequency.

Some of them were non-descriptive, "had a film-break" ect., some of them led to a common problem that was solved by moving the position of a feed roller ect., and some were downright entertaining.

One of the reports I liked most, was the one which read " Used computer watch to tell me when to start shows. Didn't work, resulting in some shows starting late. Won't use that method again!".

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