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Adam Fraser
Master Film Handler

Posts: 499
From: Houghton Lake, MI, USA
Registered: Dec 2001


 - posted 10-28-2002 09:31 PM      Profile for Adam Fraser   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Fraser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
O.K. I was looking around the theatre to see what stuff we have just lying around and I came up with this.
2 Simplex bases
2 SH-1000 Soundheads ( I believe they still have phototubes) Where the led's would be there is a glass tube.
many various reel arms and magazines
many rollers and failsafes
1 old automation. The most prominent feature I can remember on it is a dial that lets you select the reel number. The unit is gray and measures about 30" tall by 20" wide. It was removed about 15 years ago.

I think I can get all the stuff we have working and have been making a mental list of what I should be on the lookout for. Here is what I think I need so far.

Simplex Picture Head
Lenses
Sound stuff (processor, amps)
Lamphouse
Power Supply
C/O

Can anyone think of anything else I need. Or have any suggestions for me. I dont think I'll be using the automation except maybe to hook the start button and C/O to. Also, any suggestions on the equipment. I have never worked with phototube sound before.. but have 2 sh 1000's running with led's at the theatre. just thought this might be a fun project instead of tossing this stuff.

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Jeff Taylor
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Chatham, NJ/East Hampton, NY
Registered: Apr 2000


 - posted 10-29-2002 09:48 AM      Profile for Jeff Taylor   Email Jeff Taylor   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You're probably aware of this, Adam, but keep in mind that a phototube sound pickup can't be plugged into a conventional amp. The tube requires a 90v DC exciter voltage which has to come from somewhere, and which must be filtered out prior to hitting the preamp stage. Old theater amps provided this voltage and the proper input stage. Two suggestions: if you can't find the proper amp you can probably get by robbing the amp from an old 16mm projector with a phototube sound system, or just trash it and substitute photocell(s) and use a modern processor and amp(s).

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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Many of the old theatre sound amplifier schematics show how the phototube was powered. For example: here

But unless you are trying to restore the soundhead to "classic" condition, converting to a solid state photocell is probably the best option, and the obvious choice if you want analog stereo.

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Adam Fraser
Master Film Handler

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 - posted 10-29-2002 10:18 AM      Profile for Adam Fraser   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Fraser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks,
Im sure I'll have many more questions if I can get a hold of the rest of the equipment. Maybe an exciter lamp would be the way to go unless I can find led's cheap. I'll have to see.

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Geoffrey Weiss
Film Handler

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From: Lexington, KY, USA
Registered: May 2001


 - posted 10-29-2002 10:24 AM      Profile for Geoffrey Weiss   Email Geoffrey Weiss   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have two SH 1000 heads that I've converted using a photocell. I cut the top off the glass envelope and mounted the cell right onto the old tube. The leads go right onto the pins and I use the head's wiring to send the signal out on the original wires. Even if the electronics are not vintage, I'd like to keep it looking as original as possible so people can see movie technology as it was in the 1930s (I teach film classes and most people know nothing about the technology of movies.).

It saves having to mess with a 90V supply. All the info. you need to do it is here on Film-Tech, but I'd be happy to take you through what I did step-by-step.

I didn't notice. Did you mention exciter supply?

On the general topic of "building a projector," I've got sound from the SH 1000s, but haven't got picture yet. Over the weekend I realized I could just use the 750W lamp (reflector & lens) from an old RCA 16mm projector somebody gave me. I'll let you know how that works.

BTW--I'm using two Simplex Regular heads (eventually hope to have both machines running and able to do changeovers), but I've seen plenty of Supers for sale on Ebay.

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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
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 - posted 10-29-2002 11:56 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Kelmar makes brackets and mono or stereo solar cells for SH-1000 soundheads. Used ones are probably available free or cheap from theatres that have converted to LED reverse scan systems. Exciter supplies should also be readily available.

The easiest way to get sound out of a solar cell without a proper theatre processor is to wire the cell to an XLR connector and connect it to a standard microphone preamp or mixing console with built-in preamps.


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Paul G. Thompson
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I have to agree with Scott. Just replace it with a Kelmar or Dolby split cell.

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Adam Fraser
Master Film Handler

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 - posted 10-29-2002 08:50 PM      Profile for Adam Fraser   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Fraser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm gonna do some more digging and see if i can find our old pre-led sound parts. I'll keep ya guys posted. Again, thanks

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Adam Fraser
Master Film Handler

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 - posted 10-31-2002 09:00 PM      Profile for Adam Fraser   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Fraser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, I went digging some more. Here is a pic of the soundhead, it seems to be missing some kind of tube or lamp on the left.

Here is the automation

And here are the sound parts I found while digging around.

Just Kidding, Id be killed if those readers ended up in my projector project.

Any suggestions on the soundhead or what kind of automation that is?


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Kenneth Wuepper
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Saginaw, MI, USA
Registered: Feb 2002


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Hello, Adam,

The "tube" you are missing in the left of your sound head is the "exciter lamp". That is an incandescent lamp with a precision filament located in line with the optical track. Inside the sound drum you can see the reflector which sends the light from the soundtrack back to a photoelectric cell. The large black cover prevents stray light from being "seen" by the photocell.

Automation?

Modern readers, look like your theatre in Michigan.

I don't think I would recommend borrowing any of the new stuff for your home project.

KEN

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Josh Jones
Redhat

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The soundheads are worth around 500-1000 bucks if they have the stereo stuff in them and are in good condition.

Josh

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Steve Kraus
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How can you build a projector without any DLP/DMD chips?

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Adam Fraser
Master Film Handler

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 - posted 11-01-2002 10:04 AM      Profile for Adam Fraser   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Fraser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks for the advice, I think we might have some exciter lamps in the back room. I didnt know they were worth that much, we have 2 that have been in the storage room for 25 years along with a lot more stuff that has been decommissioned(sp?) or bought from theatres that went out of business. With a couple parts taken out of the other one for our projectors in normal use.

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Adam Fraser
Master Film Handler

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 - posted 11-03-2002 11:53 PM      Profile for Adam Fraser   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Fraser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Have been looking around and I think that i will be getting a Super Simplex projector head. Also, I am in need of an exciter power source unless there is one packed away in the attic somewhere that I havent seen it. After talking to a few very nice people by email and phone I believe that I will be switching to a solar cell system... but I want to get the proj. head and soundhead together and on the pedestal before I get into that.

Again, thanks everyone for the help.

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Jeff Stricker
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From: Calumet, Mi USA
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Any filtered DC power supply with correct voltage and current rating will power your exciter lamp. I does not need to be a special "exciter lamp supply".

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