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Author Topic: Where do you get trainging to be a projection engineer?
Tim Turner
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From: Chula Vista, CA, USA
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 - posted 09-08-2002 12:23 PM      Profile for Tim Turner   Email Tim Turner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The "Director of Projection" at my theather I beleive was fired, or "Will only do theater matinance work, and will never work in projection EVER agian" as my general manager no nicely quoted the
vice president of the company.
She had suggested that I try applying for that position, but I'd have to know everything about everythig there is to know about projectors and such, even more so than the Head Projectionist, which I admit I don't.

Where would I get that type of training? Obviously workig in projection for a number of years helps, and that I have done. But I'd still have to go far beyond the knowlege that I already have. As a "regular projectionist" (thats what I'd call myself) I've only been taught so much. For big technical problems, I'm just told to call the head projectionist or if the problem is really severe the Director of Projection. But how would I get that far?


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Ken McFall
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 - posted 09-08-2002 01:05 PM      Profile for Ken McFall   Email Ken McFall   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well the first thing is be a GREAT projectionist, nothing beats hands on experience EVER! Most of the 'real' engineers I've known have all been projectionists so they know not only how the equipment works but how it's used. When you leave the booth after a repair its the guys who run the show's that have to cope .... respect for them will go a long way when you need support and help.

Much of the electronic equipment used today is not site repairable so a good working knowledge of the equipment is needed so you can isolate the defective board and replace as required. Panicing and replacing everything in sight may resolve the fault but all you end up with is a pile of suspect boards!!

Possibly the one skill that will win you more support and respect is being able to admit 'Sorry I don't know what the problem is' bullshit is a sure way to earn a reputaion and no support. Asking for help is no disgrace...... there is a lot of very valuable experience in projection rooms and only a fool would ignore it as a resource.

There is the other option which seems to be favoured by many of the circuits today.... suck up and kiss ass!! It's not what you know it's who you know. It'll get you there faster than s**t down a drain but you can bet it won't be a pleasant stay.

You've started well by asking the guys who know what's going on in the real world. Keep that in mind and one day they'll be asking you for advice and help.

Good luck.

Regards Ken.


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Gordon McLeod
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A good grounding ine electrical and electronics (no pun intended)
A good understanding of mechanics
Understanding of basic accoustics
Patience of Job

Then go to Dolby school and any classes that each of the manufactures hold for there equipment

It takes years of learning to get started and then the learning really begins

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Richard Fowler
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The next Dolby school will be in Fort Lee New Jersey on October 21 to 24....the four day course is $550.00 ( they take credit cards ) which is well spent. Contact Ken Jacquart 415-645-5349 or Christy Hannon at 415-645-5113 regarding more information and to receive the registration form. There are also occaisional factory seminars...what type of equipment are you using?

Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 09-08-2002 01:38 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
"She had suggested that I try applying for that position, but I'd have to know everything about everythig there is to know about projectors and such..."

I know you don't mean this literally, but I would like to point it out anyway. No one knows everything. Scientists say the average human only uses 3-5% of his brain, but there are so many things to learn out there to reach such a status that your brain would probably explode if it was to absorb it "all". Anyone who tells you that you have to know everything, or worse someone who *thinks* he knows everything, doesn't. The good part is that there is always someone out there who DOES know the answer, and most of the time others are happy to help you out. All you have to do is ask around.

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Gordon McLeod
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As much as 3% I didn't think it was that high from reading the newspapers political section

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Tim Reed
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 - posted 09-08-2002 06:12 PM      Profile for Tim Reed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
I'd have to know everything about everythig there is to know about projectors and such

Tim, it's like anything else, you gotta like what you do. That will fuel the desire to learn. Best thing to do: read. Voraciously. Read every projection equipment operation and service manual you can lay your hands on. That's a good deal of it, you'd be surprised what's "in the books".

But, to build a proper foundation, you should learn some basic electronics (with lab) - learning to read schematic and wiring diagrams, et.al, will help you understand how things work, which guides you in troubleshooting. Learning about digital logic is also a plus.

Keeping a cool head under pressure is a good attribute to have, so just stay loose, none of it is rocket science. Most helpful of all is the ability to work well with people. And, as Ken notes, it's no biggie to step back and say "well, son of a gun, I've never seen that happen before!"

In most any outfit you work for, there will always be someone you can call for advice, if you get in over your head.

Good luck!

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Ken Lackner
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 - posted 09-08-2002 08:09 PM      Profile for Ken Lackner   Email Ken Lackner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hmmmm....I was in the same boat about a year and a half ago. "Just how do I learn to become a projection tech?" Well, one thing I started doing as often as I could was follow my tech around and learn the things he does, both at my theater and others that he services. If you can make friends with your tech, it will certainly help. The best knowledge really comes from hands on work. (Unfortunately, some techs are not people persons, and do not like to teach. If that's the way your tech is, you're out of luck in that department.)

As Tim R. and Gordon have mentioned, a background in electronics is very helpful. That's why I'm getting an A.S. in Electronic Engineering Technology. I've seen job requirements for some service tech positions that say "Associate degree in electronics or equivalent electronics experience." If you've already got the knowledge and experience in that area, great! If not, start looking around at community colleges that offer such a degree. Also, get a book of basic electronics theory from your local bookstore. Learning how to read schematic diagrams and to logically troubleshoot systems are critical skills.

And, as others have said, go to Dolby School and any other training seminars that you can. Kodak and other companies provide various levels of projection training. I'm sure John P. can provide more info on that.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 09-09-2002 06:48 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Tim Turner: Here's the link to Kodak ScreenCheck training. Most training sessions are in Culver City CA, a few hours drive north of you, and they have gone "on the road" when there are enough people registered in another city:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/screencheck/projTraining.shtml

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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Peter Hall
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 - posted 09-09-2002 11:51 AM      Profile for Peter Hall   Author's Homepage   Email Peter Hall   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, here's an odd one. I actually agree with your post, Ken..

"Possibly the one skill that will win you more support and respect is being able to admit 'Sorry I don't know what the problem is' bullshit is sure way to earn a reputaion and no support. Asking for help is no disgrace...... there is a lot of very valuable experience in projrily ection rooms and only a fool would ignore it as a resource."

I would add that PC skills and a good electromechanical skillbase is critical. Don't totally agree that long booth experience is the most valuable skill base - the talents required in rebuilding an intermittent or getting a theatre to sound right aren't necessarily related to those of keeping the booth clean and managing film movements. Both are equally vital skilsets, but very different..


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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Brad, do have references for your 3-5% claim?

I thought it was 10%.

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Tim Turner
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 - posted 09-11-2002 12:30 PM      Profile for Tim Turner   Email Tim Turner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I also heard it was 10%, but you got some really dumb people out there. Anyone dealing with customers at movie theaters know that.

Case 1:
"Huh, excuse me, can you tell me when the 8:00 showing of Bloodworks starts?"

Case 2:
Usher: "Ok this will be in the theater 5, 3rd one on the left"
Customer: "Oh, ok thank you"

20 min later

Customer: "This movie was supposed to start 20 mins ao! This is very unprofessional"
Usher: "Well it did start 20 mins ago, theater number 5 third one on the left, you went into number 7 fourth one on the right."


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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 09-11-2002 12:34 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Tim, in addition to the above comments, I'll give you my 2 cents worth.....it is basically this:

Plenty of hands-on training experience, lots of common sense, the ability to understand what your machines are supposed to be doing and how they do it, and really liking what you are doing!

Until John chimed in, I thought there was no school that teaches this stuff.

If you are thinking about being the "Man" to go to theatres as a tech and making a living at it, you learn it by "Hard Knocks" and screwing up, and learning from your mistakes.

If so, one thing that will really help....finding someone who has been in the field for a while that is willing to take the time, effort, and a little expense on their part to ship or provide you with good junk to play with so that you can gain this experience.

However, be advised that once this stuff gets into your blood, you have been "had" and there is no way out.



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Pete Naples
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 - posted 09-11-2002 12:45 PM      Profile for Pete Naples   Email Pete Naples   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My way in was not unsual.

Studied things like Physics, Tech Drawing, Mechanics, Electronics etc at High School (Neve been in a booth at this point)

Had a part time job in the booth at my local cinema, got really interested in it all, worked around a few different comapnies, learning different equipment and modus operandi, all the while reading, and sticking to the visiting engineer (it always seemed to be the same guy wherever I worked!)

Badgered said guy to get me a job for years, which eventually paid off. Even now I'm always learning, from equipment manuals, colleagues, courses by Dolby etc.

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Paul G. Thompson
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Tim said in his post:

quote:
Customer: "This movie was supposed to start 20 mins ao! This is very unprofessional"
Usher: "Well it did start 20 mins ago, theater number 5 third one on the left, you went into number 7 fourth one on the right."

I wish I could have seen the reaction on the customer's face...


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