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Michael Barry
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At the beginning of our Saturday night session of 'The Sum Of All Fears', we had an appreciative audience...

I was standing at the back of the theatre to monitor the start of the session, and as the DTS logo became visible at the end of the 'Sonic Landscapes' tag, a section of the audience sitting in the balcony gave a hearty round of applause! They just gave enough to make their appreciation known, rather than going over the top. No-one seemed bothered by it at all.

I don't think I've ever witnessed anything like this. Has anyone else? My guess is that they were either pleased to see the tag itself (I have never seen it used in any other Sydney cinemas...except for the ones I've worked at - I always bring my own!) and/or pleased to confirm that the feature would be shown with digital sound.

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David Stambaugh
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I've seen this happen a few times with THX snipes that really sounded good. Also the old Dolby Digital Train (BRING BACK THE TRAIN!!)

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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I've seen people applaud at the end of the sound tag after about 25 minutes of trailers and ads. They knew the feature was actually going to start.

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John Pytlak
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I remember the excited audience reaction to the EFX scenes in the trailers for "Independence Day".

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Antonio Marcheselli
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We too had audience to applaude when THX trailer is shown.
It is a big satisfaction when this happens!

Antonio

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Bobby Henderson
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The thing that will get me to applaud is DTS being able to get more trailers made. Aside from the THX "Broadway" snipe used on so many DVDs, I would have to say I see the DTS "piano trailer" (sonic landscape) almost as often --or at least it seems like that. I have hardly any DVDs at all which include a Dolby Digital trailer ("T2", "Akira" and "The Abyss" are it).

There's lots of different THX and Dolby Digital trailers. But as often as the DTS ones are seen (particularly on DVD) it would seem like more DTS trailers would be made. I like the original flying disc trailer, but it is 9 years old now. And "Sonic Landscape" is the only other one out there. DTS should have at least two or three more promotional trailers (not to mention a specialized one for DTS-ES). I know it costs a decent amount of money to get such trailers made, but advertising is an investment which can potentially make you a lot more money.

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Claude S. Ayakawa
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David,

I also love the Dolby "Train" trailer and it always sounded great especially at the Waikiki Twin in house #2. The "CANYON" and "EGYPT" trailers are also not too bad. As far as the DTS trailer, "SONIC LANDSCAPE", it is not a bad trailer but much to short and very subtle compared to the original 'Flying Disc' trailer which I love very much.

-Claude

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Antonio Marcheselli
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Why don't DTS change just the sound files of their trailers? A different arrangement, just to have them changed randomly, each print could have a differetn trailer!

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Antonio

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Josh Jones
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I thought train sounded good at our theater until I heard it in brad's screening room

I prefer dolby Egypt myself. Many anime films carry the dolby trailors, even the Aroura trailor is on my "Blue Sub 6" Dvd's.

Josh

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Brad Haven
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Unfortunatly i haven't seen a dolby or a dts logo on any film at any cinema for many years
Hoyt's Millennium??, i know you have some...please?

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Bobby Henderson
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Considering DTS is approaching the 10th anniversary of its format debut (has it been nearly a decade already!?), it would seem like a very appropriate time for the company to produce and release a new trailer or batch of new trailers. Didn't Universal Studios' advertising department have something to do with the production of the original flying disc trailer (as well as come up with "the digital experience" logo)? If so, why can't they help out in the promotional effort?

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Brad Miller
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Applause statuses that I have witnessed on the following snipes around the Dallas area:

DTS flying disc - insane amounts of applause with Jurassic Park, then never again.

DTS sonic landscape - never.

Dolby Train (original) - always, every time, at Northpark and Hollywood (the only 2 theaters in town that had the original version of the snipes).

Dolby Train (2nd issue) - only at Northpark, but we pulled it after one week because we were not impressed.

Dolby Train (3rd issue / current version) - no applause that I have noticed, but it does sound pretty good, just not as good as the coveted original version that Dolby seems to refuse to be willing to re-release all because some theaters with less than good systems blew some speakers.

SDDS pyramid - only on From Dusk Till Dawn. Not quite sure why that movie, but it got applause only on that one.

SDDS newer snipes (3 total) - none.

THX Broadway 70mm mix - the best EVER "deep note" mix of this logo. Applause and excited screaming guaranteed every time. The current digital version of this trailer does not match the sound quality of this version.

THX Broadway Dolby A mix - only at Northpark. Framed way too high.

THX Broadway DTS mix - never. Sound had a little bit of distortion in the mix and image was framed too high.

THX Broadway SRD mix - only at Northpark, but a very good mix. Framed properly.

THX Broadway SDDS mix - never. Sound also had a little bit of distortion in the mix, but was framed properly. Printing on these were horrid. One of the SDDS tracks would keep bouncing between the primary track and the lower quality digital fallback track. I noticed this on every print I got my hands on or witnessed elsewhere.

THX Broadway MUL mix (current) - only at Galaxy on big action movies like Star Wars in auditorium #5 (dts) at fader setting of "8". Excited screaming usually accompanied this along with someone yelling "turn it up" after the deep note faded out before the feature began, followed by audience laughter and further applause. Customers would complain if the THX Broadway was not on whatever movie was playing in #5, and cranked appropriately.

THX Simpsons - laughter for the first month or two, then nothing. This is interesting, as people constantly refer to it when the Broadway is ran. (See above)

THX Tex - laughter for the first month or two, then groans 6 months down the line.

THX Tex II - "moo cow" version of the Tex logo. Same as above, laughter, then as the humor dried up, groans.

THX Cimarron original mix - Incredible. Again this is one of those "theaters blew speakers, so we won't print any more" situations. Applause every time.

THX Cimarron current mix since around 1988 - Nothing to write home about. Applause for the brief occasions this was ran at Northpark, but probably mostly for the visuals. Never any applause elsewhere.

THX 2000 - big super short disappointment. Never any applause.

THX Cavalcade - too short and felt "rushed" in my opinion. This one should have been the best of them all. Never any applause.

Has anyone ever received complaints on sound logos? I have only received complaints when they were nonexistant or "old" (meaning they are tired of seeing the same one over and over, Broadway being the exception.)


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Manny Knowles
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I think that the key is knowing which movies to run them on and also how long to leave them on the print. I usually remove them when its time to move the print out of its first theatre. This not only solves the problem of avoiding Dolby trailers in a DTS room -- or vice-versa -- but it also limits the wear-and-tear factor. Furthermore, I don't think it's a good idea to just generally run the trailers all the time because that's how they become boring. This is especially true in the case of DTS because their long-awaited second trailer ("Sonic Landscape") was a major disappointment and we have no indication that another trailer is forthcoming any time soon...or whether it will be entertaining.

TIMING - I believe that if people come out to see a movie when it is new (and still running in the best auditorium) then those are the people who want a super presentation with all the bells-and-whistles. I don't think the people who come out to see a movie near the end of its run are very interested in the sound snipes (a possible exception would be a repeat viewer). In fact, these "late bloomers" are most likely to be the ones complaining about a movie being "too loud" so...no snipes for them.

CONTENT - I won't be putting a snipe on something like RUNTELDAT or the upcoming "Veggie Tales" movie. The first movie doesn't "show off" the system and the second won't attract an audience that cares about seeing snipes.


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Bobby Henderson
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THX "Grand" trailer has gotten some applause here in Lawton from time to time. It seems to be the best of the ones available to play in DTS. I wish "Cimarron" was available in MUL form so it could be played in DTS.

Many around here think the THX "Broadway" and DTS "Sonic Landscape" trailers are boring. DTS has made the flying disc trailer available again as a result. It gets some claps and laughter at times. The THX "Cavalcade" trailer seems to me just a re-tred of the specialized "T2" THX trailer on the Ultimate Edition DVD.

I agree somewhat about the use of digital sound snipes on movies. Some are appropriate for use and others are not. This really falls into play for the case of DTS, where you have either the piano trailer or disc trailer. The flying disc is great for action movies and such. The piano trailer might be decent for a romantic epic. But for a lot of ordinary fare, the snipes may not be needed. If DTS had a wider variety of trailers, then might not be the case.

If you have a Dolby Digital-equipped theater, you have something like 7 different trailers of which to use. You can easily find one appropriate for any kind of show. "Train" is a good general purpose trailer that could fit on just about any kind of movie. "City" is more appropriate for action films. "Canyon" might be good for a big adventure film or western. "Egypt" would be good for any chick flick. Same might be true for "Rain". I would run "Aurora" on science fiction shows or maybe an animated movie (this one is sedate enough not to scare the kiddies).


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Joe Redifer
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Dolby Digital "City" always scared the crap out of the audience. I loved it. I'd stand in the back of the auditorium and then B-O-O-O-M!!!!!!!!!!!!! the audience would all jump in their seats. I wonder if this blew any sound systems. We were the mighty UA Greenwood Plaza, so nothing ever went wrong, except when Ian worked.

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