Film-Tech Cinema Systems
Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE


  
my profile | my password | search | faq & rules | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE   » Operations   » Film Handlers' Forum   » Centry Projectors (Page 1)

 
This topic comprises 3 pages: 1  2  3 
 
Author Topic: Centry Projectors
Justin McLeod
Film Handler

Posts: 93
From: Oklahoma City, OK, USA
Registered: Jun 2002


 - posted 08-15-2002 05:22 PM      Profile for Justin McLeod   Email Justin McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 

Have a fellow booth projectionist who is working a second theater along with the one I work at.

He said they have all Centry projectors and that they are harder to keep clean. He was needing info on how to best clean these projectors.

I have never seen these types of projectors and all that I know is that they are different than the Christies we have at my theater.

Can anyone help out with this problem.

Pictures would be very helpful also.


Thanks,

 |  IP: Logged

Michael Rourke
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 159
From: San Luis Obispo, Central Coast of CA
Registered: Feb 2002


 - posted 08-15-2002 10:45 PM      Profile for Michael Rourke   Email Michael Rourke   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
All you need is a clean rag, a toothbrush and a 1 inch paint brush. The Centurys aren't as wide open as the gearless Christies with motorized turrets, but they're not as cluttered as a Simplex.

Remove the trap and gate and wipe the tension straps and gate pressure pads with 99% alcohol to remove the emulsion and dirt. Then brush all the film bearing areas with the toothbrush to get off the stubborn dirt. Use the toothbrush to get into all the nooks and crannies like behind the lens turret, under the pad roller arms and behind the upper idler roller on the soundhead. Fold the rag over the toothbrush to wipe up tight areas; wipe the rest of the surfaces with the rag especially under the feeding and holdback sprockets and under the intermittent assembly since they are prone to leaking. Replace the gate then the trap and use the paint brush to sweep away any remaing dirt from the sprockets, pad rollers or painted surfaces. Make sure to wipe the area in front of the projector where the projector and sound head meet because used grease tends to seep out there.

Once in a while it would be beneficial to remove the heat shield from behind the trap and use a CO2 bottle and gun to really clean that area, but don't use the CO2 for everday cleaning beacuse it can break your seals and drive dirt into your bearings.


 |  IP: Logged

Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


 - posted 08-16-2002 02:31 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
A Century SA projector...

This picture was taken from the picture page of "Williamsburg Theater" here on the site. Go there for other angles.


 |  IP: Logged

John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 08-16-2002 07:15 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here's the manual on Film-Tech:

Century SA Manual

Page 9 outlines maintenance. As noted, a stiff toothbrush works fine for cleaning sprockets, pad rollers, gate, trap, and intermittent shoe. The gate and trap are easily removed for cleaning, as is the lens. Wipe-down interior with a clean shop cloth. Don't use harsh solvents, and don't get solvents into bearings. Use a vacuum cleaner and brush to pick up loose dirt. Compressed air will just blow dirt into inaccessable areas. NEVER try to clean a running projector.

------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


 |  IP: Logged

Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9532
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 08-16-2002 10:08 AM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The Century is a easy machine to keep clean if one makes the effort
If you can't keep a Century clean you shouldn't be working in a booth

 |  IP: Logged

Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 08-16-2002 12:53 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A poor example of the Century-SA projector. Though it bears the SA name it has the "H" gates/traps (note the lateral guide rollers). It is an early version. That machine is still in operation though it now has the proper gates and traps.

Here is a picture of how that machine currently looks (unfortunetly, the door is closed so you can't see it's brand spankin' new gate/trap.)




Steve

------------------
"Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"


 |  IP: Logged

Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000


 - posted 08-16-2002 02:42 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Any machine is fairly easy to keep clean if it is done correctly on a daily basis. I have seen some proud operators keep their old E-7's clean enough to eat out of.

 |  IP: Logged

Scott Norwood
Film God

Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 08-16-2002 03:18 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out why anyone would think that a Century is hard to keep clean.

Since no one else has mentioned this, I will: be sure to leave the gate closed at night to avoid wearing out the spring. This is an annoyingly difficult part to replace if you haven't done it before.

(As a side note, the Centurys at Williamsburg were indeed weird. The model number was/is "MSA/2" and the serials were 150 and 151 [can anyone date them?]. They were originally installed in a drive-in and were bought for the theatre when the DI closed at some point in the 1970s.)

 |  IP: Logged

Dick Prather
Master Film Handler

Posts: 259
From: Portland, OR, USA
Registered: Feb 2002


 - posted 08-16-2002 06:00 PM      Profile for Dick Prather   Email Dick Prather   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am sure this might start something. I was taught 40+ years ago when I first and from the union to leave the gates open along with everything else which I still teach. The logic was when you keep the gate closed you are wearing out the pressure springs holding the film in the film trap. These are the springs you want at proper tension for film stability while operating. Stretching bands or their spring pressure would be the same today. I have only had one closing spring break in all the Century's I ran. Replacing the spring wasn't that bad. Maybe different parts of the country do it differently

 |  IP: Logged

Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9532
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 08-16-2002 06:15 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What i was always taught was to remove the trap door of the projector and then close the mechanism for it so both are left relaxed

 |  IP: Logged

Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


 - posted 08-16-2002 06:26 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I've left the gate closed overnight for years and years and have never had the need to change out the bands.

I do like Gordon's idea though. I may start doing that.


 |  IP: Logged

Dick Prather
Master Film Handler

Posts: 259
From: Portland, OR, USA
Registered: Feb 2002


 - posted 08-16-2002 08:28 PM      Profile for Dick Prather   Email Dick Prather   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Gordon's idea is indeed the best of both worlds. Just find a safe place to put them and inform all operators working at the theatre. I have seen that in theatres I have visited. Brad, I have never changed any bands either from theatres that did not leave the gates open that. It's just what we were taught when we started.

 |  IP: Logged

Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"

Posts: 4247
From: Bloomington, IN, USA
Registered: Feb 2002


 - posted 08-17-2002 08:08 AM      Profile for Manny Knowles   Email Manny Knowles   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If the projector has been retrofitted with Kelmar gates then you won't need to remove the pressure plate at night. The "natural state" for the spring in these gates is the open position. I've never had a spring go bad in these but, if I did, these are very easy to take apart and put back together.

If you're applying XeKote II in your film traps at night then you should leave them open overnight anyway.

 |  IP: Logged

Pete Naples
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1565
From: Dunfermline, Scotland
Registered: Feb 2001


 - posted 08-17-2002 01:04 PM      Profile for Pete Naples   Email Pete Naples   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Why fit Kelmar gates? I fit the current Strong curved gate and trap assembly to Westars with little modification. You improve your old machine and get rid of the slight worry about spares availability.

I too am with Gordon, I was brought up to do that very thing!

 |  IP: Logged

Jim Alexander
Film Handler

Posts: 71
From: Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada
Registered: Nov 1999


 - posted 08-17-2002 03:06 PM      Profile for Jim Alexander   Author's Homepage   Email Jim Alexander   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We have been using Century-C Projectors at our theatre for the past five years. They were originally installed in 1947! and work like a dream. The only modifications that were done to them was retrofiting the Arc lamps with Zenon bulb and I just finished upgrading the R3 sound reader to a Component Engineering ASR-40 reader (BTW most excellent upgrade if you are worried about the cyan track change coming!)
Century Projector are quite common in these parts. Most all independant theatres in Atlantic Canada use them and there have been few major failures that couldn't be fixed quickly.
We normally leave the gate open at night and have only had one failure of the gate wheel. Turned out the pin that moved the gate broke off (What do you expect for a 55 year old machine! If only I fair so well.) Cleaning is quite simple as everyone has mentioned above, the only exception is we clean out any excess grease and regrease the drive shafts and gears from the rear (we use Lituium grease) and thats about it. As long as you stay ahead of them, the machines stay quite clean and work FOREVER!

Jim Alexander
Zedex Theatre
Greenwood, Nova Scotia

 |  IP: Logged



All times are Central (GMT -6:00)
This topic comprises 3 pages: 1  2  3 
 
   Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic    next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.3.1.2

The Film-Tech Forums are designed for various members related to the cinema industry to express their opinions, viewpoints and testimonials on various products, services and events based upon speculation, personal knowledge and factual information through use, therefore all views represented here allow no liability upon the publishers of this web site and the owners of said views assume no liability for any ill will resulting from these postings. The posts made here are for educational as well as entertainment purposes and as such anyone viewing this portion of the website must accept these views as statements of the author of that opinion and agrees to release the authors from any and all liability.

© 1999-2020 Film-Tech Cinema Systems, LLC. All rights reserved.