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Michael Barry
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Registered: Nov 1999


 - posted 08-08-2002 11:20 AM      Profile for Michael Barry   Email Michael Barry   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm willing to see if it's possible, because I feel so darned silly. Actually, I just feel plain bad.

I did something really stupid at work tonight, and the worst part about it is that I can't understand how I possibly could have made this mistake.

Why is it that you can make it through some fairly rigorous, complex stuff just fine, then you have the simplest and most straightforward of tasks which you then proceed to somehow foul up?

What did I do? I threaded the incorrect movie. Yes, it was corrected prior to hitting the feature (the final trailer had just ended!) However, with clearly marked schedules and my (usually) extremely vigilant triple-checking procedure, I cannot for the life of me understand how this one could have slipped by. Worse, this comes less than 24 hours after a satirical posting about the importance of checking things! What egg on my face?

I pride myself on the accuracy and consistency of my work, and errors are few and far between...but this is what makes this one especially annoying: it was so obvious and avoidable.

OK, so I can accept that mistakes will crop up from time to time. But the question is: what about the idea of stupid, inane mistakes cropping up? Shouldn't they be completely absent? What an embarrassment.


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Brad Haven
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 - posted 08-08-2002 11:34 AM      Profile for Brad Haven   Email Brad Haven   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just make sure you have a good laugh about it, as it IS quite funny for an obviously proud and professional projectionist to make this mistake!...and i'm sure you wont make the same mistake again!! .

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at Luna Leederville cinemas
also cheerleader for john wilson (gooOO JOHN!)

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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 08-08-2002 11:38 AM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Everybody makes mistakes. Just two months ago, I accidentally included the "Sum of all Fears" trailer in the trailer pack for that movie!

Come on everyone, chime in with your own goofy mistakes (as opposed to that previous "booth disasters" thread).

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Jeff Taylor
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 - posted 08-08-2002 11:56 AM      Profile for Jeff Taylor   Email Jeff Taylor   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Not exactly a "booth disaster"...more of a "studio disaster". Under the category of mea culpa, when I was working as a DJ years ago I was half asleep and probably hung over doing an early morning drive time show. This was back in the days of vinyl, and I announced the next number with a fairly detailed introduction only to find out that the prior record was still on the table. Ouch! Well, at least I cued it up right as if that mattered!

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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 - posted 08-08-2002 12:51 PM      Profile for Gracia L. Babbidge   Author's Homepage   Email Gracia L. Babbidge   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Once, and only once, did I manage build up a print with one reel spliced in backwards. >_< (I was still a bit of a novice at that point in time.)

Once, and only once, did I manage to build up a print with reels in something other than the correct order. I somehow put on reel 7 where reel 4 should have been, and reel 4 was where reel 7 should have been! (And this print played like this for three days without anyone noticing!) >_<

Lessons learned = mistakes going unrepeated!

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Jon Miller
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From: San Diego, CA, USA
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 - posted 08-08-2002 02:42 PM      Profile for Jon Miller   Email Jon Miller   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Four years ago I ran projection for a film festival in a local multiplex equipped with Christie packages in all auditoriums except for the largest one, which was blessed with an AA-II (DP-70). Most of the festival, which was held in a smaller auditorium, went fine, except for that P35 sounding like a bucket of bolts in operation. The festival operators moved one feature to the large house due to heavy advance ticket sales. Of course, after running those unspectacular Christies I was eager to get a chance on a legendary projector and was flush with anticipation.

Well, I got the hang of the machine in no time and threaded up the projector without a hitch...or so I thought. When the picture hit the screen, something was amiss. Mirrored picture, no sound. D'OH! In my eagerness, I accidentally threaded the print soundtrack in and failed to catch that error . I had to stop the projector and, with the assistance of the theatre's "booth ushers," re-feed the paid-out film back into the center of the platter pack to get it going again. Five minutes and one red face later, we restarted the show, this time threaded as God and Norelco intended.

Sooner or later, a goof catches up with up. As long as no film was damaged, I guess we can live down to our human-ness, pick up the pieces, and get back to doing film right.


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Josh Jones
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 - posted 08-08-2002 03:19 PM      Profile for Josh Jones   Author's Homepage   Email Josh Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We were running a new print of "The Man Who Wasn't There." This is all fine and dandy, but there was an out of frame splice in reel 3 to 4 or somewhere in there. So what do I do? I DID NOT wind onto a 6000 like I should have, but instead split the roll in two with my fingers, pulled out the offending splice, fixed it, and started the show. Halfway through the movie, that dangling piece of film caught on the film going into the brain. Wholla, instant brain wrap. I was expecting something catastrophic like that so I stayed in the booth until it went through. All hell would have broke loose had I not have been there. Five minutes later we were back on screen, and I learned an important lesson.

Bad thing was, the splice I replaced wasnt the bad one.

Josh


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Randy Loy
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 - posted 08-08-2002 03:22 PM      Profile for Randy Loy   Email Randy Loy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A few years ago I was embarrassed while running "The Matrix" at a performing arts center where we still use arc lamps and do 2,000 foot changeovers. The chief projectionist at the theatre is 88 years old and he started at the same theatre in 1932 when the theatre was a commercial movie palace and he was a union apprentice. Anyhow, we couldn't get access to the film print until just before showtime (long story) so I started inspecting the print reels and as soon as I would finish inspecting a reel on the bench, George would thread it up on a machine in preparation for the next changeover.

The Ashcraft lamps in our booth can be a little tricky to run these days and I suspect they need a good going over by a tech. If you don't keep a close eye on them, they have been known to lose their arcs when the arc gap gets a little too large. This little problem jumped up and bit us with one machine during this particular show while I was distracted with inspecting film and George was tinkering with the other machine.

As I was on about reel four, with my back to machine one, I suddenly got this funny feeling and thought to myself, "Uh oh, It's been too long since either of us have checked the arc on number one!" I then spun around and discovered that the lamp was indeed dark. I dove for the lamp and re-struck the arc, hoping that we'd been off-screen for only a second or so. Not so, however. Later, floor staff told us the screen was dark for about five minutes. And they never even radioed the booth to tell us!


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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 08-08-2002 03:24 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So, how do you expect to have any war stories to tell the guys if you have never had any "accidents"?

Everybody makes bone-head mistakes once in a while. It's not so much about whether mistakes are made or not. (Obviously NO mistake is "OK".) What separates the "men from the boys", metaphorically speaking, is the way one conducts him/herself in the face of a problem.

Do you stand there, denying the mistake, making excuses or do you hop on your feet and fix the damned problem?

In my experience, it's an unwritten rule that the audience will give you a Mulligan if the mistake is relatively minor and it happens before the feature actually starts.

Don't worry about it so much... But don't let it happen again!

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Joseph D. Olson
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 - posted 08-08-2002 07:37 PM      Profile for Joseph D. Olson   Author's Homepage   Email Joseph D. Olson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I had been training for quite a while before it was time for me to actually build my first print and it was a press screening for Big Fat Liar. The last reel was spliced on backwards. Luckilly, it was only flipped around and not heads\tails flipped so because it was the last reel, I could just stop the show, put a twist in the film and thread it backwards. Film offscreen for less than five minutes. Oh, well. Sneak preview. I guess you get what you don't pay for.

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So if old projectionists don't die, what happens when new projectionists get old?

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Manny Knowles
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 - posted 08-08-2002 10:12 PM      Profile for Manny Knowles   Email Manny Knowles   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was training a GROUP of new projectionists and I threaded backwards (soundtrack flip-flopped).

"And that's what happens when you try to do two things at once, class!"

~Manny (now in three delicious flavors!)

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 08-08-2002 10:30 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I spliced on a Dolby Digital Aurora trailer ass-backwards (tail first) at the Telluride Film Festival on the front of "Straight Story". It hit the screen immediately after director David Lynch and actor Richard Farnsworth gave their speech to the audience. Very embarrasing. I just closed the douser and muted the sound until the trailer ran through, but boy oh boy did I feel like a dumbass! But if you're gonna screw up, you might as well screw up BIG!


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Brad Miller
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 - posted 08-09-2002 01:16 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't know if this "tops" yours Joe, but I've got a similar one.

Back in 1989 I had just been hired at a Cinemark. This particular location was their flagship at the time. My first shift and the first round of movies, the manager comes running up to the booth 5 minutes before #6 was supposed to start. (I have no idea what the movie was, but I remember it was #6.) He says that all of their policy trailers are in terrible condition and that the owners Lee Roy and Tandy Mitchell just walked in the door and were about to watch that movie. He was freaking VERY badly over it and demanded that I unthread it and get a clean copy on there.

To make a long story short, I grabbed a few policies out of the cabinet (all were in bad condition) and found one on a spot check that wasn't too horrible. It was labeled "FRJ head". (FRJ=Front Row Joe) I raced over to #6 with the splicer, got the thing dropped in and the machine rethreaded and hit START right on time. I guess I don't even need to tell you that whoever broke that trailer down should have written "FRJ tail"! If it hadn't been for the numnuts who mislabeled it and wound it emulsion in (and also the fact that I was rushed and had no idea what the beginning and ending of the policy looked like), I would not have screwed that up.

So just like Joe did, the second it hit the screen I saw what had happened. I turned the fader to "0", closed the douser and kept the lights at half and waited there, and waited there, and waited there, and waited there (these policies were in excess of 2 minutes), and then waited there some more until it finally played through. The manager was standing there freaking out even moreso over it (he was acting like he was a mob target) and demanded that I stop the projector and turn it around, but I had to keep explaining to him that such a thing would take a LOT more time. (By the way, he didn't last long.)

Nowadays if the head / tail is not obvious to me, I look at the emulsion in the reflection of the light to determine if it is heads or tails out. I haven't screwed up a trailer change in any fashion since that day (and I've probably done about ten thousand others in the last 13 years).

We're all allowed one mistake, right?

Right...but just that one.


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John Pytlak
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 - posted 08-09-2002 09:24 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A tutorial on print orientation for the "newbies":

The analog soundtrack is always on the outboard (towards you) side of the projector as you thread.

The emulsion side of a 35mm release print always faces the lamphouse. The base side of the print is always towards the lens.

The image in the gate is always upside down.

The image will always "read" correctly from the emulsion side of the print.

To summarize: As you look at the film coming into the projector head, the analog soundtrack should be outboard, the image on the print should be upside down, and the image (title lettering) should read correctly if you view the print from the lamphouse side.


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Frank Angel
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 - posted 08-09-2002 01:27 PM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John, those excellent rules-of-thumb should be posted in every booth. Especially in rep houses like mine that occasionally have to run silent films. With those, obviously that nice landmark soundtrack isn't there, making orientation even more of a challenge. And for some reason, on older prints, the tell-tale emulsion/base contrast (dull vs. shinny) seems to become less obvious and you really have to eyeball it.

Anyone who has worked in a booth for any length of time has gotten bitten by the flipped soundtrack, the wrong lens/aperture, change-over only to find the arc not struck, etc. What is REALLY embarrassing is when you've been in the booth for years and should know better, but because of some small distraction, it comes up and bites you on the butt again. But I've got one better than the soundtrack flip-a-roo. This is very much in line with Manny's, only with a lot more dire consequences.

I was called in for a screening at the museum it so happened at a time that they had just hired a new AV Manager, a young guy just out of college. He was in charge of everything technical in the theatre -- sound mixing for live shows, slide lectures, everything except 35mm projection -- for that he needed to schedule in a licensed operator. So on this his first film screening on his new job, as I am preping this short film, we carry on an animated discussion about the 35mm system, the integration into the house sound system, then moved to museum politics. I start the show; our conversation continues. I make the first two change-overs showing him how it works. He is impressed. But now as we are talking, out of the corner of my eye, I begin to check the third reel playing out thinking I have to bring the lights to "Credit" level soon. Now I begin to shut out his discussion and my mind starts to focus on the film on the screen I and realize something is very wrong. What's wrong is that the there's about 7 minutes on the last reel and nothing on the screen seems to be coming to a conclusion; in fact, what sounds like a new plot twist is beginning.

It would probably be really cool if someone was there with a camera to snap your face at that moment of revelation when it "dawns on you." I stop him in mid-sentence and ask, "Er, do you remember if there are any other film cans downstairs?" "Why?" he asks innocently. "Well, because unless they can get to town, find a lawyer and get some evidence to go to trial in the next 4 minutes, we are missing three, maybe four more reels of this movie." This kid goes white. I mean, he's very white to begin with, but now he looks like he is going to faint right there in front of me. I tell him to sit down and drink some water. He kept repeating over and over, "Oh my God, what are we going to do? "Well, in a situation like this, since we don't have the rest of the film, its simple. We just have to go out and tell the audience that we can't finish the show." I thought a little levity would help, so I add, "And by the way, who's this WE you speak of?" It didn't.

Knowing it was my fault for not realizing that the unfortunate fade-out at the end of R3 was NOT the end of the movie, I said, "Look you just sit here, I'll go out and tell the audience." I went out to the theatre and told the 200 people sitting there in CREDITS lighting that the distributor hadn't send the full feature and we are very sorry but we cannot finish the screening and they could see it next week, pickup passes at the door, blah, blah, blah.

I love museum audiences -- they are so polite. They took it quite well....seemed quite understanding of my explanation. I was actually a little pleased with myself thinking, "Gee, that was easy." And just as I was making my get-away, happy that no one asked the obvious, one feisty old guy down in front was a bit more vocal, a bit more Brooklyn. He yells out in typical Brooklynese, "Hey, the distributor didn't send you all the reels, so how come you didn't figure this out till just now?" "Damn," thinks I, "caught." My voice mumbled, "Yes, that was our error, sorry." while my brain thought, in perfect Brooklynese, "Yah, screw you, pal."

There is a good reason the union has a rule that no one other than the projectionist is allowed in the booth while the film is running. Beware distractions, my brothers!

Frank

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