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Author Topic: Animal Products in Film? Bill Enos Film God Posts: 2081 From: Richmond, Virginia, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 07-20-2002 10:05 AM                     I guess it had to happen. A customer who is an animal rights activist asked the other day if film contains anything derived from animals, she says she will never watch another movie if it does. Does the base, emulsion or anything else in film contain anything that comes from animals?  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-20-2002 10:58 AM                     The emulsion is gelatin which is an animal product  |  IP: Logged Adam Fraser Master Film Handler Posts: 499 From: Houghton Lake, MI, USA Registered: Dec 2001 posted 07-20-2002 11:16 AM                        I guess she won't ever be able to watch a movie again. :P ------------------ Adam Fraser www.pinestheatre.com  |  IP: Logged John Anastasio Master Film Handler Posts: 325 From: Trenton, NJ, USA Registered: Sep 2000 posted 07-20-2002 11:19 AM                        I guess she wears plastic shoes. Tell her that you don't make any money on her ticket anyway, but that she's more than welcome to stop in any time and buy the all-natural popcorn. Assure her that it's not real butter but something recycled from Jiffy Lube.  |  IP: Logged Christopher Seo Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 530 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-20-2002 01:31 PM                     This is something of a problem for me, as a vegan. I emailed Kodak a couple times but got the same form-letter response back, to the effect that gelatin is a great substance because it makes use of the tons of cattle bones which are a byproduct of the meat industry.  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 07-20-2002 01:37 PM                     The Sepoy Mutiny was supposed to have been caused by the rumor that the soldier's rifle cartridges were wrapped in paper greased with lard for weatherproofing in India. Soldiers were used to gripping the wrapper in their teeth when loading, and pig's fat violated their religious taboos. Many died in the mutiny and its aftermath. Seems the question "Is Jello kosher?" was answered by the manufacture of a product called KO-JELL, made from a vegetable form of gelatin, making it acceptable to both religious Jews and Muslims. What is the origin of motion picture gelatin used in photographic emulsion? Is it the same for film made in the U.S. as in India?  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 07-20-2002 01:52 PM                        But all she has to do is LOOK at the film....not eat it.  |  IP: Logged Ken Lackner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1907 From: Atlanta, GA, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 07-20-2002 02:14 PM                     It's not that she's a vegetarian. She's an animal rights activist, and as such, I suppose she doesn't want anything to do with anything that uses animal products, whether she's eating them or no.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-20-2002 03:05 PM                        EASTMAN GELATINE CORPORATION produces high grade gelatin for coating light sensitive emulsions onto flexible film base. Gelatin provides an ideal consistency as the 'bedding' compound for the color couplers and silver halide crystals. Photographic grade gelatin is also purchased from other sources. In over a century of photography, many other colloidal substances (e.g., albumen, synthetic polymers) have been tried for making photographic emulsions, NONE has been able to replace gelatin. http://rmp.opusis.com/documents/gelatininphotography.pdf http://www.cheresources.com/photochem.shtml http://aic.stanford.edu/jaic/articles/jaic36-03-002_1.html http://albumen.stanford.edu/library/c20/hendriks1.html http://artnavigator.tripod.com/emulsions3.htm ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243 e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion  |  IP: Logged Brian Tristam Williams Film Handler Posts: 93 From: Johannesburg, South Africa Registered: Apr 2002 posted 07-21-2002 01:25 PM                        Well, she doesn't even have to look at it - she looks at the light passing through it. What about our Privé theatres? They have leather seats! ------------------ "One man can make a difference."  |  IP: Logged David Favel Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 764 From: Ashburton, New Zealand Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-21-2002 07:58 PM                     Someone mentioned recently that all the people that protest fur, don't protest leather as they would then be picketing the local branch of Hells Angels. Good call.  |  IP: Logged Kara J. McVay Film Handler Posts: 95 From: Delaware, OH Registered: May 2002 posted 07-21-2002 08:23 PM                        My evil side says "tell her they use kittens to make the film". I try to keep the voices in my head to a minimum ------------------ "That's a chip up the nose, Ken" Fish Called Wanda  |  IP: Logged Bill Enos Film God Posts: 2081 From: Richmond, Virginia, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 07-22-2002 12:52 AM                     She came in Saturday evening. She wears cloth shoes & her hand bag was plastic. She is, however, a great fan of the organ. We haven't told her about the yards of leather it takes to build a pipe organ or the gelatin yet.  |  IP: Logged James R. Hammonds, Jr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 931 From: Houston, TX, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 07-22-2002 12:58 AM                     I saw a local band this evening, and at the nend of their show, the lead singer said "Go ahead and wear fur. It doesnt do the dead minks any good." I got a good laugh out of that.  |  IP: Logged Carl King Expert Film Handler Posts: 199 From: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-22-2002 04:50 PM                     At one time I wore a leather winter jacket (I've outgrown it) and someone I met asked me if it didn't bother me that an animal had to die to make the jacket for me. I looked at his feet and asked him if it bothered him that the people who made his sneakers worked in third world sweat shops and lived in schacks with 10 other family members and ate out of the local garbage dump. He walked away.  |  IP: Logged

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