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Adam Wilbert
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 590
From: Bellingham, WA, USA
Registered: Mar 2002

posted 06-30-2002 09:05 PM

Is it possible to burn a custom DTS disc to include trailers from several different sources? We run a first-and-a-half run theatre and sometimes would like to run trailers for a confirmed new-for-us second run show in combination with national upcoming features. I have all the hardware, i'm just not sure how to tell which track on the DTS disc is the audio for a specific trailer, if its even possible.

-adam

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Josh Jones
Redhat

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From: Plano, TX
Registered: Apr 2000

posted 06-30-2002 09:42 PM

Just bumped up the topic "DTS and Policy trailors" for you.

Josh

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 07-01-2002 12:33 AM

Adam, here is what Karen from DTS said on eh DTS trailer files - can they be bla bla bla .....
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No Mike, the trailers are complied into one file (Reel 14) and you cannot extract just one.
Karen at DTS

The trailer disc is a subscribed disc that the studios sign up for and the disc is always changing.
Movie discs are a different story. A studio will let us a film but only wants trailers from THEIR upcoming films on it. They don't want other studios' films on their discs.

The feature discs belong to the studios, not DTS. However, the trailer discws belong to us.

Karen at DTS

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John Hawkinson
Film God

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From: Cambridge, MA, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 07-01-2002 12:37 AM

It's certainly possible, Paul. We do it here all the time; see my link in "do you prefer DTS or Dolby?" on page 8.

--jhawk

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 07-01-2002 02:15 AM

Thanks, John. But that topic is 8 pages long, and I don't think my feeble mind (what's left of it) can handle that many pages.

Not this morning, anyway.

Oh, Jeeze....you said page 8. <slapping myself silly>

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Adam Wilbert
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Bellingham, WA, USA
Registered: Mar 2002

posted 07-01-2002 04:10 PM

Paul, I read what Karen wrote, but i took that as meaning that the trailers included on the feature discs were one track, but that the trailer discs were compiled differently. I'll have to check out John's link.

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

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From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 07-01-2002 08:09 PM

Adam,

All trailers are compiled into one file - reel 14. There is no way to extract them once complied together (when they are all lumped together into one file).

Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

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From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 07-01-2002 08:10 PM

All trailers are reel 14.

Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

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From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 07-01-2002 08:13 PM

All trailers on movie discs are listed under the feature's name

If you have a trailer disc, all trailer titles are listed.

Trailer discs are free to DTS theaters that have DTS-6D or DTS-6AD units. If you would like to add your theater to the distribution list, send me an email with name & shipping address of theater (no P.O. boxes), telephone number, and name of the theater manager.

Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com

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Frank Angel
Film God

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From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 07-01-2002 11:39 PM

Ah HA....so what happens when there is a feature that is 15 reels long? And if you think they don't exist, try 21 reels. Which film? SHOAH. And it's not some insignificat title either -- it won all kinds of awards and could easily wind up getting rereleased with a DTS track. What made them choose 14? MY FAIR LADY comes in at 12 reels, isn't that a little too close for comfort....why not choose something really safe, like Reel 50 or something?

Frank

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John Hawkinson
Film God

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From: Cambridge, MA, USA
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posted 07-01-2002 11:42 PM

DTS encodes the reel number as 4 bits (16 "reels"). Features longer than 13 reels presumably get split up into two different serial numbers.

--jhawk

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Film God

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From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from)
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 07-02-2002 12:35 AM

13 reels at 23 minutes per real would work out to be a minute short of 5 hours. Which is close to what 3 whole DTS soundtrack discs can hold. So after the first 5 hours of film you'd have to swap out the discs for the rest of your more than 13 reel 5+ hour show. I suppose this would be a good point to use a new serial number and start back at 'reel 1'.

Now that I think of it, you'd be probably running this beast reel to reel (or with an intermission) since you may have a little bit of a hard time trying to get a 21 reel movie on a single platter deck. So at one of the changeovers or the platter re-thread you could do a 'digital changeover' with the DTS player.

If you really wanted to (when encoding the soundtrack) you could use the maximum amount of timecoding per reel and only start a new 'sound reel' when the max is reached, instead of have the DTS player 'change reels' at the end of the physical reels. This would probably give you a bit more time, but you'd still run out of time on the actual discs.

After watching a movie for 5 hours I would be willing to bet that not to many people would notice it drop into SR for the rest of the show if done in a subtle enough point in the movie.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Film God

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From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from)
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 07-02-2002 12:47 AM

Adam, perhaps a little more useful...

I don't know which unit you have but does it support hot-swapping the discs like the 6AD unit will do (like when the feature has just started and you're just receiving FED-EX envelope with the discs in it)?

If it does you could load in the first disc for the feature and put the trailer disc in the other drive that you would normally have the second feature disc in. Then when the trailers are done pull out the trailer disc and put in the second feature disc.

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

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From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 07-02-2002 12:15 PM

All trailers are always reel 14 - no exceptions.

No problem is a film is over 13 reels long - we just skip 14 and keep right on counting. So, reel 14 would become 15, etc.

Karen at DTS

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

Posts: 492
From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 07-02-2002 12:24 PM

Any film over 5 hours would most surely have an intermission. During that time, discs could be changed to accomidate the last part of the feature. We've done this sporatically in the past - Gettysberg and Doctor Zivago (sp?). Sure, neither of those films was 5 hours, but we will do this (one set of discs for the first half and another set of discs for the second half) for any film that requires more than two discs. We don't want to leave any customer with 2-drive players out in the cold!

Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com

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