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Brent Arnold
Film Handler

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From: Grapevine, TX, USA
Registered: Feb 2002


 - posted 06-26-2002 07:23 PM      Profile for Brent Arnold   Email Brent Arnold   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok recieved the film "Snow White and the..." from TES today, in 2 cases, one had 4 reels, the other had 2. This is a 5 reel film. One reel was just empty as a "spacer" why didnt they use smaller cases or something, or are they finally thinking, hmm maybe if we ship extra reels we wont have to keep on sending reels for broken ones.

Crazy, just an odd thing I found.

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Steve Kraus
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Probably just a matter of case availability. Lightweight cases are easily bent and crushed if they aren't full hence the empty reel. I wish they would do that all the time. I also wish they'd get rid of those ancient heavyweight cases they must have bought for scrap value and sprayed orange. Anyone else notice that the latest batch of paper bands (not the adhesive ones) seem to pop their string grommet rivets at the slightest touch?

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Ken Lackner
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Speaking of paper bands, whatever happened to those adheisive ones? They were cool. I only saw them about 3 times. Weren't they supposed to replace the paper ones?

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Brent Arnold
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Yeah, now that I think of it, these had the paper bands on them... The adhesive were nice, it made it so easy to roll up the heads. Made tear down so quick. Yeah, that would be nicee if they were on more films, but you cant ask THAT much from TES...

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Brad Miller
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Ugh, I HATED the adhesive bands! They always went right into the trash. I refuse to deal with those things. Give me a good paper band and string any day.

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Brent Arnold
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GOOD paper band, yeah I agree with Steve, most paper bands I seem to get are falling apart, I end up taping the bands on anyways, I dont want to deal with broken strings...

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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 - posted 06-27-2002 01:55 AM      Profile for Gracia L. Babbidge   Author's Homepage   Email Gracia L. Babbidge   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Paper bands? Adhesive bands?

Oh yeah, those annoyances that I (almost) always file under 't'.

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Manny Knowles
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For real!

They're never intact when I get them in the first place.

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Steve Kraus
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The adhesive band isn't a bad idea but needs work (just as with the 6K' distribution reel). For one thing the adhesive chosen leaves residue on the film. Being reel to reel the leaders do go through. I cannot allow such film through my machine and end up having to cut off the last 3" or so of leader where residue exists.

As for paper bands I use them if they're there. There must be an entire category of idiots out there who cut the strings. But why prints come from TES with cut strings I don't know. I used to not re-apply these, figuring if you have to tape it anyway might as well just tape the film down. (I wouldn't toss them--just return them in the can.) Over the last year or so I came to the conclusion that a taped down string-less band is still more secure than film taped to itself (which often lets go in transit) so I'll use them even if sans string.

It's amazing how much lazyness exists in booths. It would seem that standard operating procedure in many/most is that anything that does not absolutely have to be done isn't and especially those things that impact the next person and not the present venue. Thus, leaders hung on with masking tape (or not at all), bands not reused and strings cut.


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Steve Anderson
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It's funny my general manager makes fun of me when I break down a film,I splice the tails and heads back on. He said nobody does that and has told me just to use masking tape. I do have a question...I have seen several bands on movies that say do not rewind. What does that mean?

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Frank Angel
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Today reel bands come in without string at all and many times without even the title being written on it -- remember when NSS would rubber STAMP the title on the reelband, AND rubber stamp a BIG reel number next to it? Plus there would always be the release number and print number on the band too? And of course the bands were color coded -- Green for standard prints, Red for CinemaScope/mag prints. Now you are lucky if Inspector Mona will scribble the print title and reel number (for some inexplicable reason, she scribbles the reel number upside down) in pencil on the reel band. Care and exactitude are simply gone in this business.

Here's how my projectionist-in-training dealt with the paper reel bands, when they are even present. He brought our shipping tape dispenser up to the booth -- the one we use in the mail room -- has transparent tape about 2in wide. He pulls the rivet off the end (as pointed out, no string is ever attached to these rivets any more) and wraps a piece of the wide transparent tape around that end and then the same on the other end, lengthwise so that when the band is wrapped around the reel, there will be the plastic tape meeting plastic tape. This provides a strong slick surface so that he can then apply the standard Artist hold-down tape. The hold-down tape will not land on paper -- it will land on the plastic tape. Thus it can be removed and reattached or new tape applied over and over without tearing the paper, as hold-down tape invariably does when it is pulled off.

I looked at that and said, what a great idea, but the distributor should be doing that to protect their print, not us and not on our time. But the kid is really gun-ho and points our that it only takes him an extra minute to do it. I am thinking, I shouldn't discourage him, but at the same time, if I were the accountant running a megaplex and print makeup now take an extra 60 seconds per reel, that's a good chunk of work/hours that I would be paying for. He also would us a fine point felt tip pen to print the title, reel number, image and sound formats and the print & release numbers (he got those from the TES label). When he got done, the print looked like it had come from an old NSS depot twenty years ago.

Since we are not a megaplex, and we are talking only an extra 5 to 10 minutes for the small number of prints we have to deal with, I let him do it.

Frank

As over enthusiastic as he is, it gave me the idea that since strings seem not to be in vogue now -- maybe they could use paper that's impregnated with plastic. Kind of laminated -- this would correspond to my apprentice's wrapping tape in that if the reel bands were plasticized, you could apply hold-down tape to them over and over yet it would easily pull off without destroying the reel band the way it does now.

I've never seen the adhesive bands -- how do they work?

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Ken Lackner
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The adviesive bands basically are plastic strips weith several peel-off covers at each end. When breaking down the print, you peel off the first cover and attatched one side to the print, wrap the band around the reel, peel off the first cover at the other end and affix the band to itself. There's some sort of tab that you pull to remove the band. I don't know if I'm explaining it too well. I guess you just have to see one.

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Thomas Procyk
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Personally, I always found the paper shipping bands useless. They don't protect the print because half the time they are not attatched properly, usually missing strings and just hanging off the print. Or worse, the label with the title and reel number was often stuck over the little string tab. Most of the time, the information on the bands can be found on the heads & tails of the print itself anyway. When we got a TES print, the first thing we would do is rip these suckers off and get of them.

If Technicolor is so worried about protecting their prints from damage, they should nix those stupid paper bands and spend the money on better reels and new cans.

=TMP=

P.S. Sometimes we received TES prints with no bands, but the sticker that was supposed to be on the shipping bands was stuck on the head to hold it down.

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John Pytlak
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One idea would be to use a thick perforated 35mm protective LEADER on the head and tail leaders of the print. For example, Kodak's subsidiary FPC supplies a stiff and thick (7 mil, 0.007 inch thickness) clear Blue Polyester Base perforated (KS-1870 print perfs)leader material that would offer the same protection afforded by the cardboard bands, while actually being part of the leaders. (FPC Item Number 9120). And being bare support, tape could be used to "stick down" the leader to itself.
http://www.fpcfilm.com

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Brent Arnold
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You know what, I think I will start charging TES for tape that I have to use to tape the bands or film down (if bands aren't supplied) Won't they like a bill for 20 cents? TES should see the bill when they "inspect" it.

But yeah, a laminated sort of badn would be a good idea. In the long run, it should save them money. For the popocrn selling projetionsits, they will at least see "hmm these bands look important maybe I should send them back" and then TES wont have to replace the bands everytime, they can just put their little inspection sticker on it, that can be removed for the next inspection.

When we recieve 16mm it comes with a plastic band aroudn it with a clip on it, that clips to the film, and the inspection sticker is in the center of the reel, like over the center hole. That would really almost work for 35mm...

How come nobody that works for TES posts on this forum you would HOPE they would care what people thought about their films, but obviously they don't.

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