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German Marin
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 - posted 06-16-2002 09:27 PM      Profile for German Marin   Email German Marin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was checking some items on the booth when I started to see the light on the wall. That light come from inner console of Christie SCL 20. The most peculiar that I saw in this projected light was the red item it has (cathode).

I remember that experiment I did on the school when between a wall and a candle I put an obstacle with a hole. I did can see the candle projected on the wall but head down. Then I put a paper with a hole and I saw the arc, xenon, even the positive wire on the wall, the entire xenon bulb.
Has been It done intentionally? Someone has seen the same I've seen? Or I didn't know about that...


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John Pytlak
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 - posted 06-16-2002 09:57 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A small hole in the lamphouse is probably acting like a "pinhole" lens:
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/consumer/education/lessonPlans/pinholeCamera/
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German Marin
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 - posted 06-16-2002 10:50 PM      Profile for German Marin   Email German Marin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, you are right, John. My question is, Was this "pinhole" made intencionally? The Christie console has not a glass-arc port to see into the lamphouse, I think it's the way that christie's eng. found to see the arc.

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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 06-17-2002 12:53 AM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Probably the question is who made the pinhole, and for what purpose.

This reminds me of the carbon arc days when a small hole was drilled into the lamphouse so the arc image could be projected on the wall.

That way, the arc target could be viewed by the projectionist without him or her getting out of the easy chair to check the trim.

In your case, it could determine a number of abnormal things to a very keen eye at a quick glance while walking past the machine.


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Barry Floyd
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 - posted 06-17-2002 10:52 AM      Profile for Barry Floyd   Author's Homepage   Email Barry Floyd   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've got several lighting fixtures I use in my mobile DJ setup that when lit up actually project the entire contents of the fixture onto the wall. I don't think it's intentional, but it does happen.

It's weird. If the light is stationary... you can clearly see the bulb, filiament, the porcelain socket, the cloth covered wiring leads to the socket, and even the heads of the phillips head screws that hold the socket in place - all projected on the wall. If the motor on the fixture is turning, all you see is just the colored lights moving across the floor and wall.

The fixtures have a focused lens across the front of them, so I guess that's why everything is so clearly defined.


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Manny Knowles
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Each of my Christie reflectors has a pinhole through which the Xenon arc is projected onto a translucent white window on the side panel of the console. It is to reveal if magnet adjustment is required.


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Paul Konen
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I did this today and sure enough, you can see the the buld, arc, and the orange glowing piece.

The hole is there because they couldn't shape the metal around the x,y and z axis or didn't want to.


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Gerard S. Cohen
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 - posted 06-17-2002 05:44 PM      Profile for Gerard S. Cohen   Email Gerard S. Cohen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 

Pinhole optics are fascinating things, and in the 19th Century many were built as tourist attractions, usually substituting a lens for the pinhole, to make a real Camera Obscura, with the viewers sitting inside. Often a mirror was used to invert the image right-side-up.
Some, resembling short lighthouses, still exist, especially in the U.K., where they are preserved and maintained by landmark clubs.
The best known one in the USA is in California, where visitors can sit inside and see the seals cavorting on the rocks far in the distance.

Several years ago, the Movie Machine Society and the NY Photographic Society held symposia at George Eastman House in Rochester, where a camera obscura was set up in a circular tent, providing bright views
of the Eastman Estate gardens on a table. As the lens rotated 360'
the viewer got a panoramic view.

I used to have my students make pinhole cameras from coffee cans and cereal boxes, and some noteworthy prints resulted.

And I've noticed upside-down images of the street traffic outside theatres on an otherwise blank screen when the auditorium was dark
but a small opening in the rear entry door acted as a pinhole.

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Brian Tristam Williams
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 - posted 06-20-2002 03:47 AM      Profile for Brian Tristam Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Brian Tristam Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As an 18-year old, I used to work till midnight, then sit up till dawn watching CNN.

Because I slept all day, I covered my bedroom windows with aluminium foil. Sure enough, there was a pinhole prick in the foil, and, by golly, I didn't need CCTV - I could see perfectly what was going on outside if I simply looked at the wall. And in full colour and high resolution!

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Paul Turner
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 - posted 06-20-2002 04:14 PM      Profile for Paul Turner   Email Paul Turner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Much as Gerard did, my photography student's first project was to make a pinhole camera using a shoebox. We would expose photo paper while could be dropped into the Dektol for immediate results (which made the kids impatient when it came to processing negs and making prints). We could sandwhich the exposed paper with raw paper, hit it with an enlarger lamp or sunlight, and het a positive. Even tho I do most of my "serious" photography with a 4x5 or 120, I still like to come up with fun pinhole cameras and make prints. Making a small camera with a film canister works great and the curve of the paper makes an interesting image. Waiting to have the time to make a pinhole digital . . . .

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Randy Stankey
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In my first photography class in High School we made pinhole cameras using an empty Quaker Oats canister.

We cut it down until it was about 6" tall, then used an X-Acto Knife to cut a square hole, about 1" square, in the side about 1/2 way up. A pinhole was punched into a square of thin sheet metal, which was cut out of the bottom of an "E-Z Foil" pie pan. That was fixed to the inside of the "camera with a piece of gaffer's tape. The "shutter" was made from a piece of the container, left over from what was cut off the top. It was fixed to the outside of the "camera" with another piece of gaff tape, so as to make a flap.

Our teacher cut us a bunch of squares of photo paper in the darkroom and put them into "paper safes" that we made from more oatmeal boxes. Everybody got about 1/2 dozen pieces of paper and we were turned loose to roam the school. (A camera was considered a hall pass IF you were in photography class.) We'd duck into a closet to load our cameras and emerge with a piece of paper loaded into it.

We would set them up on a window ledge, or some place, open the shutter and count to 50 (or whatever). When we were out of paper we'd go back down to the lab and develop them. We made prints by the contact method the same way you detailed, Paul

One time my friend and I snatched a bunch of paper and took our cameras home with us over the weekend. We drove around town taking pictures. We used the trunk of our parent's car as a mobile darkroom.

We got a lot of cool pictures that day... AND a bunch of funny looks from passers-by as we emerged from the trunk of the car with a sawed-off oatmeal box.

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