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Nathan Guerriero
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What is the proper way to thread 35 through the Century mag penthouse on a JJ. I was watching Windtalkers last night and noticed a thin baseline scratch coming and going. I kept checking the film path and everything seemed fine, but I could be mistaken. I think that it is coming from the mag penthouse, or they are just leftover scratches from the screening at the Lake Street Screening Room. (kidding)

So what's the proper way to thread that thing?

Thanx!

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Brad Miller
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I'll take a picture and post it later today. However, you should not be threading past the mag head if you are not running a mag print. Also, the sprocket drive in the JJ's penthouse needs to be flipped so the 70mm pad roller is against the sprocket.

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Nathan Guerriero
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Right, I should clarify. I'm not threading through the head, I'm threading around it. Or rather, I'm not sure how to thread around it. I don't use the JJs on a daily basis, so I'm a little unfamiliar with them.

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Nathan Guerriero
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Well, I'm sorry to see that this topic hasn't sparked great interest in the community, and I don't mean to be a pain in the butt, but if someone could help me with this, I would appreciate it. I've got to open this theatre on Friday for full-time operation, and I'd just assume not destroy our prints on the first night.

Thanx!

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Gordon McLeod
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I believe that the threading diagram is in the projector manual in the manual section
Turn the pad assembly on the penthouse sprocket so the 70mm side engages the sprocket and the 35mm film will run down the backside of the 35mm roller

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Josh Jones
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So what happened to the picture idea?

Josh

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Gordon McLeod
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Well it looks like the pages with the threading diagram 73 and 74 are not in the online pdf file for the machine but the instructions in text form are

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Manny Knowles
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I've never seen a JJ so I'm interested in seeing a pic.

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Gordon McLeod
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JJ's look at the pictures of the Uptown,, the Music Hal;l and of course the Filmtech screening room

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Christopher Seo
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The film should be contacting only two rollers in the mag penthouse: the first metal roller encountered going into the penthouse, and the nylon 35mm pad roller for the penthouse drive sprocket. Again, turn the 35/70 pad roller so that the 70mm roller is against the sprocket and the 35mm roller is in back, and run the film around it (to the left). From that, the film should go straight into the projector head and the upper feed sprocket.

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John Pytlak
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Here's the manual (high quality scan, large 6 megabyte .pdf file). See pages 10 to 16 for threading diagrams:
CLICK HERE

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
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Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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Nathan Guerriero
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Thanx for the info, everyone. I read the manual and I feel a much more comforable working with the JJs now, and I'm not so worried about scratches. Thanks again!

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Gerard S. Cohen
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Wow! John, you're right it is a "high wuality large format scan",
fastest and most beautiful Acrobat Reader .pdf file I've ever viewed!
Was that bit of color atop the right corner of my screen a Kodak logo?
Good to see "my old" JJ looking like a Peter Gowland magazine cover.

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John Pytlak
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The .pdf file for that manual was on the R. S. Engineering and Manufacturing website. I assume they did the scan from an original Century manual. They have over 700 manuals on-line.
http://www.rsem.com/
http://www.rsem.com/equipment-manuals.asp

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

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Brad Miller
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That was a Strong produced pdf file and I haven't had the time to add it to our collection here. Many of their others are actually Film-Tech scanned pdf files too, with my front page stripped from it. Grrrrr.

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