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Bob Brown
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 146
From: Grand Rapids, MI
Registered: Apr 2002

posted 05-21-2002 10:17 AM

Just wondering if you have your SRD reader on will it effect the DTS reader. We are using a CP-500. In other words, will this set-up cause the two formats to fight in the processor?

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Josh Jones
Redhat

Posts: 1207
From: Plano, TX
Registered: Apr 2000

posted 05-21-2002 10:41 AM

It has been said to leave the unused decoder switched off to prevent that. I dont think they would fight, but it sure would sound weird, and the processor might lock up.

Josh

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

Posts: 492
From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 05-21-2002 11:53 AM

If you are threading through both readers and want to play in DD, then turn off the DTS player. And, when you want to play in DTS, turn on the DTS player.

Karen at DTS

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Antonio Marcheselli
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1260
From: Florence, Italy
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 05-22-2002 05:23 AM

Karen,

We had a strange thing few days ago with our DTS6D/CP500.

THX trailer we attached was not on the disk so it played in DD. When trailer finisced, a DTS encoded movie was directly attached at the tail of the trailer. At the end of THX trailer CP500 make a mess with SR-DD and didnt' read the DTS6D pulse to SK5.

We had auto digital activated however. We reolved the problem adding a very small piece of black leader between trailer and feature.

Antonio

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Bob Brown
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 146
From: Grand Rapids, MI
Registered: Apr 2002

posted 05-22-2002 08:34 AM

Antonio. Was the THX trailer you were using TEX? If so I had read a thread here that the end tail was not encoded properly and will cause your CP-500 is default back to SR and not read DTS. It did it on ours. We did the same thing you did to fix the problem.

"Something VERY important in regards to a new DTS trailer. They need to MAKE SURE the timecode runs all the way into the tail leader and there is "all zeros" silence during the end. I have found the THX TEX trailers drop out right at the end and default back to SR on just before the feature begins because of this" Quote from the thread.

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Antonio Marcheselli
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1260
From: Florence, Italy
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 05-22-2002 05:41 PM

Bob,

No, was the broadway 2000.

I cut the trailers where the picture start messing (white borders visible in projecton or similar). I try to have all possibile timecode.

Bye
Antonio

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Michael Brown
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1522
From: Bradford, England
Registered: May 2001

posted 06-23-2002 11:28 AM

What happens if you want to run add/trailers in SRD and the feature in DTS. Assuming the add/trailers how no DTS timecode/discs.

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Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-23-2002 12:11 PM

To answer Michael's question: run the feature in a different format (one with auto-digital turned off) than the trailers, and have either the automation or the projectionist switch to that format at feature start. The only problem with this would be if the trailers had DTS timecode _and_ the soundtrack for the trailers was on the feature disks. In this case, they would play in DTS. Not a big deal, though.

(Disclaimer, I'm not intimately familiar with DTS with CP-500s...I've used DTS with just about every other processor, though [CP-45, 55, 65, and 200]. Still, this _should_ work, according to the manuals.)

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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 06-23-2002 12:34 PM

It's not just the Tex and Broadway 2000 trailer logos, but ALL of them that I have noticed. The classic Broadway logos do a hard drop right at the last split instant of sound to SR when it says "www.thx.com" on the screen, a good 5 or more seconds before the end of the logo. My automation requires a pulse to allow the dts unit to engage, so I have to put a cue on the head and tail of sound logos because of this. It would be nice if the original recording/file went right up to the last frame of black on the trailer and then continued silence for the 4 seconds the unit provides before fallback.

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 06-26-2002 01:32 AM

Wouldn't it be cool to have the DTS logo equipped with a SR-D track?

Wouldn't it be cool to have the Dolby Logo equipped with a DTS track?

SDDS? Nah - they don't count.

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Mike Blakesley
Film God

Posts: 12767
From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-26-2002 02:54 AM

What would be cool would be to have some new DTS logo trailers!!! As nice as Sonic Landscape is, it's gettin' kinda old.

I would suggest about 2 or 3 seconds of silence (with timecode) before the start of the audio on the next DTS trailer. With the Sonic Landscape one, our unit occasionally takes a second or two into the audio before it actually kicks into DTS.

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 06-26-2002 02:58 AM

Hell, Mike...I gotta put up with that thing with the Yamahammer Piano.....

I don't know which rock DTS found it under, but I wish it would go back under a heavier rock...one that is heavy enough to squash it.

Karen, how about a thunder and lightning DTS Logo? I'll run that thing until it is shredded.....and I would probably be willing to almost flat-line my power amps running it...and blow their butts right out of the auditorium.

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John Wilson
Film God

Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 06-26-2002 04:46 AM

>>I would suggest about 2 or 3 seconds of silence (with timecode) before the start of the audio on the next DTS trailer. With the Sonic Landscape one, our unit occasionally takes a second or two into the audio before it actually kicks into DTS.<<

Yes, that's a real shame on the sonics. Especially since it is advertising your whiz-bang perfecto sound system, only to have it start in SR and then drop into DTS. More black at the beginning AND make sure that black has no nasty dots in the optical track please.

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No, wait: Anakin tells Padme at one point: "I don't like the sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating--not like you. You're soft and smooth." I hadn't heard that before.

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

Posts: 492
From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 06-26-2002 01:11 PM

New DTS trailers, yes I agree it is time for new ones! I heard from our marketing department that some new ones are planned for the end of the year. Now, don't quote me on the ETA, it could take a little longer. But, at least it in the works!

Karen at DTS

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1907
From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 06-26-2002 01:51 PM

Personally, I like the Sonic Landscape, but my theater usually did not run sound format trailers, so I only saw it about twice. Whatever happened to the "flying CD" trailers? Now those were awesome! Bring that one back!!

Sonic Landscape just doesn't quite seem to fit with action and sci-fi type movies. It would be nice to have 2 or 3 different trailers to choose from.

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