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Matt Close
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 226
From: Hervey Bay, QLD, Australia
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 05-15-2002 05:06 AM

Now don't get me wrong .... DTS is the BEST (IMHO)

.... but I'm getting tired of having to ring to chase discs!!!!! Tonight's problem?? I have my midnight premiere of Star Wars EpII if FOUR HOURS and guess what? ... NO DISCS!!!!

... don't spose there's anyone out there who knows how to make ISO images, has a screamingly fast net connection and no upload limit????

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John Wilson
Film God

Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 05-15-2002 06:01 AM

Have they told you why you wouldn't be getting them? We have ours.

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"It's not the years honey, it's the mileage". - Indiana Jones.

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Brad Miller
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Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 05-15-2002 06:06 AM

Well, our offer to host emergency downloads for people in your situation still stands, but the response is always the generic "discs are owned by the studio" and no one at dts seems concerned enough to pursue getting official permission for us to do so. Sorry Matt.

Just get with a local theater the way most of us do when we receive damaged discs and burn you a set.

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Matt Close
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 226
From: Hervey Bay, QLD, Australia
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 05-15-2002 06:44 AM

Oh Brad, if only it were that easy ..... We are the only theatre in town, there are others 30 mins south, and an 1 1/2 horus north .... but alas, they have no disc either. Here's the kicker... one of our other cinemas down the coast received their discs ..... but guess what? ... they don't have DTS

... Murphy strikes again!

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Matt Close
Expert Film Handler

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From: Hervey Bay, QLD, Australia
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 05-15-2002 06:47 AM

Actually ... here's a question.... Do they produce the discs for 'every' print in existence? ... Or are the discs limited?

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 05-15-2002 07:00 AM

I know as far as US is concerned there is a set for every print. Couldn't tell you about Aussieland.

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

Posts: 492
From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 05-15-2002 06:20 PM

Matt,

Call the film distribuator right away and request discs. Also, be sure all future films are ordered in "DTS" - it should help to fix the problem.

Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

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From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 05-15-2002 06:21 PM

Brad,

It isn't that we (DTS) is not interested, the studios have flat out said "NO."

Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com

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Joe Redifer
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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99

posted 05-15-2002 07:09 PM

Oh how I wish we had a studio rep here on Film-Tech to explain some of that crazy warped logic.

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John Wilson
Film God

Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 05-16-2002 05:38 AM

Matt

In Australia, they use a percentage system ratio of prints to discs.

Logic seems not to enter into it.

Email me your address and I'll send you a set.

John

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John Wilson
Film God

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From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 05-16-2002 06:21 AM

Hi Matt

Just read your other post in 'How Does It Look' thread. I guess I don't need to send them now, eh?

John

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 05-16-2002 08:23 AM

Karen, have the studios specifically been asked? If so what was their reason. To date, you have never indicated that the question has ever even been queried to the studios, hence my comment. Defective and missing discs is a real problem sometimes and this is a real solution.

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

Posts: 492
From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 05-16-2002 11:55 AM

Brad,

Believe me, I am very senstive to the fact that some theaters are not getting discs. I know this continues to be an issue for theaters overseas. We are working on correcting that and it will take some time. It is very complicated because the company that handles the distribution of domestic films overseas is quite often a different company.

We have spoken to several studios about posting sound files of their films but they are not interested at this time. I am not at liberty to specify the studios.

Karen at DTS

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Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99

posted 05-16-2002 02:28 PM

Would the studios be more amenable to allowing downloads if there were some way of authenticating that the person doing the downloading is somehow associated with a theatre which is exhibiting the film for which he is downloading the ISO disk images? CD burners and high-speed net connections are common enough now that this would be a great advantage for repertory cinemas and others who don't always get DTS disks.

I'm thinking along the lines of this: Projectionist calls the film depot and says "where the heck are my DTS disks." Film depot says "we don't have them, but give us the print number, the name of the theatre, the title of the film, and the serial number of your DTS unit." Given this information, the depot could then provide the theatre with a key which could be used to download (or decrypt) the disk images which would only be valid for a limited time.

This would prevent the disk images from falling into the hands of film pirates (which is presumably what makes the studios nervous), while ensuring that legitimate exhibitors have access to the materials that they need to present the studios' films in the best possible manner. This also provides a means of tracking which images were downloaded and by whom in the event of suspected misuse of the data.

(And why don't the foreign distributors make one set of disks per print, anyway? If the print itself costs $1500 to make, what's another $1.00 or so for a set of DTS disks?)

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John Hawkinson
Film God

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From: Cambridge, MA, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 05-16-2002 02:42 PM

'sounds like you're presenting technical solutions to a political problem, Scott. I suspect that the studios are not really concerned so much with the fear of piracy of DTS discs, but rather that they are large companies and are resistent to change without adequate motivation.

So, it seems to me that the way to get this to happen is to convince them that it's a real problem. Personally, while I do see it as a "significant annoyance," it hasn't reached "real problem" for me. (Though, as an aside, I am kind of bummed lately about getting sneak preview prints too early for the DTS discs to exist. Makes me long for SR-D...)

--jhawk

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