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James Robertson
Film Handler

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From: Sydney, Australia
Registered: May 2001


 - posted 03-31-2002 09:58 PM      Profile for James Robertson   Email James Robertson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 

I’ve visited our newest multiplex (about 12 months old) a couple of times recently and have been very disappointed with the quality of the screen image.


The films seen were Ocean’s Eleven and Gosford Park. Both films appeared very muddy on screen with total lack of contrast and lousy resolution, and never at any stage looked crisp and bright.

I’d go as far as saying that if the screen luminance was 18 FootLamberts then I’m Elvis Presley.


Before I start putting my complaint to the company (Hoyts, Chatswood ) I‘d like to get opinions from anyone who has screened either or both these films on GOOD equipment.

Did they look as I had expected- bright and sharp or am I out on a limb here.

I’m aware that films are sometimes shot to look dim and dank but don’t think this was the case with these films.

P.S. Another annoyance was thin brown vertical lines (about 2-3 feet apart) top to bottom of screen all the way across on flat format, and starting at left centre and going across to right centre. (‘scope format)

Even on this dimly lit screen they were obvious on exterior daylight shots.

Any ideas on this problem.



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James R. Hammonds, Jr
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Houston, TX, USA
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 - posted 03-31-2002 10:31 PM      Profile for James R. Hammonds, Jr   Email James R. Hammonds, Jr   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Gosford Park did look kinda bad, but probably worse under the conditions you describe.

Oceans 11 should have looked just fine.

My guess on the vertical lines are that the seams in the screen are visible, but Ive never seen them appear brown.

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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.

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From: Dallas, TX
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 - posted 04-01-2002 03:44 AM      Profile for Adam Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Martin       Edit/Delete Post 
Ocean's Eleven was grainy, but not muddy. Sounds like someone at Hoyts needs a good swift kick in the nuts.

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Bernard Tonks
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From: Cranleigh, Surrey, England
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 - posted 04-01-2002 04:31 AM      Profile for Bernard Tonks   Email Bernard Tonks   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Jim, Gosford Park was shot in Super 35mm. What John Pytlak posted in Feature Info & Trailer Attachments will be helpful to you as follows...
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Andrew Dunn BSC shot it using very fast EI 500 speed film. Based on the following quote, I think the low contrast "look" sounds like a deliberate artistic choice:

"We used it for interior candle lit as well as brightly lit scenes, exterior sunny scenes, and exterior dark cloudy rain scenes. It performed magnificently throughout. It dug into the blacks, even with a combination of a stocking on the back of the lens and a black dot filter on the front. There were huge latitudes and I loved the depth and creamy texture. It was like looking through a glass darkly at the shenanigans of a period between World War I and World War II, but in the same breath there is also a naturalistic feel so the audience won't feel too divorced from what actually goes on. All the action is seen through the eyes of the below-stairs people, and in particular one character who takes the audience on a journey, so there has to be a fairly subjective feel to the film."
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Cant help you with Oceans Eleven, but if James R. Hammonds, Jnr said ‘it should have looked just fine’ there must be a problem. I would certainly complain about the screen, how distracting! What was roughly the picture size ? Whilst looking impressive on some films, most oversized screens I have seen suffer from insufficient light for 35mm.


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John Pytlak
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Inadequate screen luminance is likely the cause of "muddy pictures" with poor color saturation and dull highlights:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel/spring98/pointers.shtml

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James Robertson
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 - posted 04-01-2002 07:14 PM      Profile for James Robertson   Email James Robertson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bernard,

Thanks for info. on Gosford Park. I may have to give them the benefit of the doubt on that one.

Screen size about 40 ft x (whatever). on 'scope.
What about those screen seams. I have never come across this problem before. Are screens usually made up of such narrow strips.
Can anyone enlighten me on this point.

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Bernard Tonks
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 - posted 04-02-2002 04:13 PM      Profile for Bernard Tonks   Email Bernard Tonks   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jim,

As I still have keys to the old Regal until boarding up shortly, I measured the distance of the Harkness screen seams which are 4 feet. Perhaps the seams showed because of sub standard cheapo screens installed. Or the air conditioning has caused the problem in the long run.

No excuse for not having a good light on a 40 ft scope screen. The screens I was talking about were at least 60 ft.



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John Wilson
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 - posted 04-06-2002 07:58 AM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi James

Gosford Park looks crappy where ever you go...period.

Ocean΄s Eleven, although super 35 looked fantastic.

Did you see these in the same cinema screen? If you have access to a car, a bus or a train and then a bus, I suggest that since you are someone who obviously cares about quality, take a ride out to the Randwick Ritz sometime soon.

We use only digital sound in all screens and also all films are treated with Brad΄s mazing FilmGuard so they΄re all clean as a whistle.

Did you say those marks were scratches or marks on the screen by the way...?

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Richard Topping
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From: Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK
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 - posted 04-07-2002 08:38 AM      Profile for Richard Topping   Author's Homepage   Email Richard Topping   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah, Gosford Park was terrible, we got some complaints but nothing we could do about it explain the directors choice of how it was filmed. As for Oceans Eleven it was slightly grainy but nothing major.

As for the screens, it looks like they where poor when they where put in (as it is only 12 months old). Whenever we open a new cinema we check each screen and if any seams are visible we reject and get them replaced. I opened a cinema in Budapest recently and the screens where installed by Hamman (Germany) and even though they where matt, they where perfect and we did not have to replace any!

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Per Hauberg
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From: Malling, Denmark
Registered: Jul 2000


 - posted 04-07-2002 04:40 PM      Profile for Per Hauberg   Author's Homepage   Email Per Hauberg   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Generally, could You not claim, that Super-35 gives great 1:85 trailer, but poor scope feature print - but not every time, though:
I've just received the Gosford trailer yesterday, -and even the 1,85 pictures are not nice to look at. My print of Ocean's was not good, not bad - just ordinary middle of the road stuff.
But it surely also depends on lab work: At first run, i had a very bad M.I.2, -just impossible mission to get in in focus, - but for a single running few weeks ago, i had something nearby perfect.
Trouble is, in a market as small as the danish, often the distributor haven't got just one spare print in house. -Run it and cry !

Per

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