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Michael Rourke
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From: San Luis Obispo, Central Coast of CA
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I run a 7 plex and wheel a 35lb tank on a hand truck from projector to projector, and at a 4 plex I "inherited" they use dust off cans since all the booths are seperated. I find the CO2 invaulable but on the cleaning question below no one seems to include it in their projector cleaning arsenal.

I am starting to wonder because the CO2 delivery guys are finding it harder and harder to entrust me with the stuff, and are telling me that my application is unsafe....like I'm hooking it up to a mask and pulling a Dennis Hopper in "Blue Velvet"

I find the 20lb tank with a fine point air gun is a must have for any booth not only for cleaning projectors, but for cleaning platter motor brushes, cleaning lamphouse blowers and exhaust fans and heat sink fans.

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Gordon McLeod
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Compressed air is a double edged sword
used properly it can help remove dirt but it can also drive grit into bearings and other places it should not be
also the safety issue if the tank is knocked over they can be like a rocket propelled through a wall (that was the principle of early torpedoes)
Also Eye protection is necassary and also mainy people are killed yearly by compressed air bubbles that forced trhough the skin inot blood vessels

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Brad Miller
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If you are having to use CO2 to clean your projectors with, then you've really got problems. What kind of projectors do you have? Have you (or your tech) checked to see if anything is rough in the gate that could be causing the excessive abrasion? Have you tried using FilmGuard? Sample kits are available from CPI at 800-891-1031 if you want to try it out on a print.

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John Pytlak
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I strongly DISCOURAGE the use of compressed air or other gas to "clean" projectors or lenses. At best, you're just moving the dirt around. At worst, you will damage something, or hurt yourself.

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Michael Rourke
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To Brad: I run Centuries at the 7 plex and Simplex at the 4 plex. I don't have a tremendous amount of abbrasion to speak of, this method was in place long before me.

To John: My 7 plex was Kodak screen checked and they never had anything to say about the compressed air.

The Simplexes at the 4 plex were run by manager/projectionists for 9 years and they were bought used 20 years ago, so they are extremely dirty and are in need of a copius amount of TLC.

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Jerry Chase
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Why not get a vaccuum and use the CO2 for the purpose intended, lifting the skirts of unsuspecting Marilyn Monroe look-alikes?

Sometimes a tube on the end of a can of dust off is the easiest way to dislodge a bit of crud, but CO2 is generally overkill. I've seen people use CO2 to try to clear backed-up toilets (NOT a pretty sight) and I have used it for cleaning the snot out of coke tray drain tubes... Boy, that came across more sinister than I meant. The plastic tubes under your coke heads... Crud. The flexible tubing under your Pepsi head drain trays. There!

It can be used to dislodge dirt in exhaust vents and around AC and condenser coils, but I'd avoid using it on anything with flexible seals and lubrication. As has been pointed out, that dirt under pressure has to go somewhere.

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Manny Knowles
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You mean to tell me I have to toss my compressor? Or are you referring to the stuff that goes into soft drinks to make em fizzy?

I have occasionally used a small 20gal horiz. compressor on wheels to help with heavy-duty cleaning of projectors. I have found it especially useful for getting dirty grease/oil out of corners & crevices and out into the open where I can wipe them up easily.

But this is when I encounter a machine that is FILTHY...and by the time the compressor joins the party all of the gears and bearings are laid out on a table away from the casting.

Wow - I never knew about the death threat from air bubbles in the blood! I was already intimidated by how loud this thing is, now I have a reason to be afraid...very afraid.

So, how the heck do those bubbles get into the blood?

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Bob Maar
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Jerry..I really like the way you think. I will run out and get some CO2 right away.

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Gordon McLeod
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I am assuming.... you do have a regulator on the out put of that tank.....

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Barry Hans
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When you use compressed air for cleaning out Century's it all ends up in the gear side of the head. You end up blowing out the operating side and then wiping out the gear side, twice the work. Use a rag! There are plenty of good uses for compressed air in a booth though, like blowing out rectifiers and such. You can find inexpensive compressors for under a hundred dollars that will do quite good

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Manny Knowles
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Yes there is a regulator and I keep it at 85psi...the blow gun directed using pressure below 90psi.

I also use safety glasses that protect from the sides as well.

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Steve Kraus
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I use a compressed air hose to blow away dirt that gets on the aperture plate during a screening. My last batch of Brand X Dust-Off equivalent ("Enviroduster") seems be be of a type with very weak vapor pressure at room temperature. Must be the new environmentally friendly material. Not enough oomph so I mostly stick to the air that I started using when the last Dust-Off can ran out.

As for CO2, I don't think those are the cylinders which punch through walls if the valve gets knocked off. It's high pressure but because CO2 liquifies the pressure stays at about 800 psi. It's the gases that don't liquify at room temperature and stay gaseous whose cylinders are carrying pressures measured in the neighborhood of a couple thousand psi.

And you can use a CO2 cylinder to make dry ice to impress everyone.

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Gordon McLeod
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I remember once seeing a oxygen bottle flip over and knock the valve off in the welding shop and it shot right through the block wall

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Paul G. Thompson
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I use a CO2 bottle to blow dust out of blowers, and clear the snot out of soft drink dispenser drains. That's about it.

As far as projectors are concerned, it is a definate overkill, and can be very dangerous. Some people don't have the slightest idea how much pressure is in those bottles, and how easy it is to get a gas embolism which can kill. Not to mention how dangerous the bottles are if they are dropped and the valve snaps off. The bottles will propel themselves through concrete walls and level everything in its path.

As far as cleaning other electrical/electronic devices, I actually observed one individual who was the head of a certain theater chain (since went bankrupt) who used a full pressure CO2 bottle with the valve almost wide open (to the point where he had to hold the bottle upright to keep it from blowing itself over) to blow out his copier that was in the office. Hunks of drum wiper blades, and other parts (including toner) went flying all over the room. When he was done, he was pissed at the machine because it no longer worked.

He was not the smartest person in the graduating class.


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John Walsh
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I tried using compressed air for cleaning, and Gordon is right: it can be good and bad...

People who use compressed air are usually in a hurry. Now, I'm not knocking them, since they just want a clean projector and don't have much time. But, problems happen when someone takes shortcuts. I can only say I didn't use compressed air at most of the places I worked at, and I thought my projectors were pretty clean. And I didn't spend too much time cleaning them.

Like anything else, common sense has to prevail. Don't crank up the pressure, keep the tank secure, watch what you point it at. I found oil and dirt getting blown onto the lenses, so I made it a habit to cap them.

I eventually found that (for me, anyway) it was better to give the projectors a quick wipe out between shows with a paint brush. Then, once every 3-4 weeks, do a good cleaning (vacumn out with covers removed, wipe oil, etc.) I also check for loose screws, worn parts, blah-blah.

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