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Michael Hunt
Film Handler

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From: Gloucester, Gloucestershire, UK
Registered: Feb 2001


 - posted 01-31-2002 11:12 AM      Profile for Michael Hunt   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Hunt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Grrr!!!

I've just finished making up print number UK 20 of Apocalypse Now Redux, and some previous idiot decided to hack there own cue dots into the ends of the reels where they'd run changeover...

The bloody home made things are about the size of three sprocket holes!!!

'Homemade' cues have always been a pet hate, especially as I run both changeover and platter depending on which screen I'm using...

I wish those people who don't have a proper cue dot marker would refrain from hacking holes in prints, and put temporary dots on using wax pencil or other removeable media...

The print is on a platter at the moment, but will be transferred to 6000' reels for its last screening next week, and I just know that these bloody hacked in cues will be on the wrong reels (i.e. in the middle of my 6000'ers)

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 01-31-2002 12:22 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Non-standard cues should ALWAYS be removable (e.g., small adhesive dots) and removed before sending the print on to the next theatre. Likewise any cues for automation should be completely removed and any residue cleaned off with a solvent-based film cleaner like FilmGuard.

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Joe Beres
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 - posted 01-31-2002 12:31 PM      Profile for Joe Beres   Email Joe Beres   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
YES YES YES!!! I ran a print last night that had cue marks all over it. THe reels must have been reconfigured three or four times. Some of the cue "marks" were punched holes that were about 3/8" in diameter and in the middle of the right half of the frame!!! I was flabbergasted.

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John Pytlak
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#$%&@!#* Hole punchers are for PAPER, NOT FILM!

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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Joe Beres
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 - posted 01-31-2002 01:44 PM      Profile for Joe Beres   Email Joe Beres   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Speaking of bad cue marks...
Why is it that so often I see prints with really nice (andplainly visible) printed cue marks and then scratched cue marks (often sloppy) right over the top of the printed marks. I swear that there are projectionists out there whose entire goal is to exemplify film done wrong. Is there a website for them as well? (www.film- .com)


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Larry Shaw
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From: Boston, MA, USA
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 - posted 01-31-2002 02:02 PM      Profile for Larry Shaw   Author's Homepage   Email Larry Shaw   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Does anyone know if the Clint Phare or a similar cue marking device is still available?

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Bill Gabel
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From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA
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 - posted 01-31-2002 02:14 PM      Profile for Bill Gabel   Email Bill Gabel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I believe Christy's Editoral Supply in Burbank Ca. had
them in their catalog.

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Theatre Cue Marker 35mm $58.00
70mm $58.00
Replacement Cue Marker scribes $30.00


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Joe Beres
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Yes they do, You can download their catalog at www.christys.net or call them @ 800.468.6391

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Larry Shaw
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Thanks Bill & Joe, I found them in their .pdf catalog for $58.00.

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Bill Enos
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Last time I inquired (about 4 months ago) Cardinal Sound & Motion Picture in Beltsville Md. still had some Cline Phare cue markers.

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Gerard S. Cohen
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From: Forest Hills, NY, USA
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 - posted 01-31-2002 03:45 PM      Profile for Gerard S. Cohen   Email Gerard S. Cohen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There must have been a time when cue markers either weren't available, or were too expensive, for I have a hand-made marker
made from a brass screen-door hinge, with tiny holes bored, and tiny punch-pins brazed opposite. By inserting the film and closing the hinge, four very tiny holes were made in precisely the correct
position. Rust-proof, one-piece (no Pharo scriber to get lost),
it is operated with one hand and fits easily in a vest pocket.*
Cost: zilch, plus time and the satisfaction of do-it yourself.
I wonder when the maker met his Maker?
*(Yes, many of the old-timers worked in vests, with green-eyeshades!)


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Brad Miller
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 - posted 01-31-2002 03:57 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Are there any cue scribers that actually place the cues at exactly the same area of the film where the lab's cues were? I have never seen a scriber actually match up. When some bozo adds his own because frames are missing, your eye catches one then gets quickly diverted to an adjacent one nearby. At least if the cue scribers would be a perfect match it wouldn't be quite so annoying.

I do agree all projectionist cue marks should be removable. The easiest way is just to lay a piece of Neumade clear splicing tape where the cue should go and place a tiny round sticker on top of it. That makes removing it easy and one frame is plenty to see the thing.

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Steve Guttag
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From: Annapolis, MD
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Yeah, Larry we still have some 35 and 70mm cuers left....Also have a bunch o scribers.

Steve

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Bill Gabel
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 - posted 01-31-2002 06:05 PM      Profile for Bill Gabel   Email Bill Gabel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When we do work print screenings the Asst. Editors send
me prints with paper dots for cue marks. But sometimes
the very early screenings they will use china marker slashes
for cues. If a print comes in at the very last minute
for a screening and has no cues. I use a china marker
for my cues. (This has happened a lot on Miramax film
pick ups from around the world).


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John Walsh
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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
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 - posted 01-31-2002 11:16 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have a Cline Phare ("Signo-Marker") c/o cue scriber that makes a dot just about where the lab puts them. I would think different labs use different scribers, so you probably can't get one scriber match all.

The old-timer who taught me told me not to whine about hard-to-see marks and pay attention ("They're supposed to be hard to see!") But if they were particularly dark, to only scribe over the first and third dot.

I notice some prints from overseas have very small dots; a German print had square "motor start" cues and round c/o cues. I ran a wonderfully photographed French film about birds that had no cues (someone drew ugly grease pencil slashes across the frame.)

I would imagine there are people who think by making the cues impossible to miss, think no one will miss the c/o. So they are using the right reasons to do the wrong thing.

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