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Glenn Conatser
Film Handler

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From: Northern California
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 - posted 01-28-2002 10:22 PM      Profile for Glenn Conatser   Email Glenn Conatser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I keep hearing rumors that SDDS is not supporting their product anymore and there wont be a SDDS soundtrack on films before to long and that there going under.

I personally dont care for the sound of SDDS or its reliability. I only have one of three working. Of all three formats on the market it seems to have the most problems on top of having the worst location on the film.

Where in the middle of a retrofit and remodel and im hoping i wont have to deal with SDDS anymore !!!

Thanks

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Mitchell Cope
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As I like to frequent the local AMC theaters, it's obvious to me when the film being shown does not have a SDDS soundtrack. So if SDDS really does go away, will AMC retool and put in the DTS or Dolby Digital system it deserves?

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David Stambaugh
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 - posted 01-28-2002 10:46 PM      Profile for David Stambaugh   Author's Homepage   Email David Stambaugh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If I remember correctly, didn't AMC make a big deal out of committing to SDDS exclusively? [speculative comment deleted by author]. Is Sony still installing any meaningful numbers of new SDDS sites? Is SDDS still the most expensive of the 3 formats?


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Aaron Sisemore
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 - posted 01-28-2002 10:47 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
They aren't rumors. For all intents and purposes, Sony Cinema Products is dead. California state law requires Sony to provide technical support and repair service for their products for seven years, so you can still get them serviced and maintained, but the clock is a-ticking... Probably a good time to start changing out your SDDS systems with DTS or SRD...

-Aaron

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John Pytlak
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Is there an "official" notice or published article? Doesn't seem to be any word on the http://www.sdds.com website.

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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I dont know if any other state has a law like the one AAron mentioned in California, but they have been on the raod lately doing refurbishments on the 3000 units.
John Luttrelle and company were just at my theatre over the weekend doing the refurbishments on our units.
I havent actually been working during normal opening hours since this weekend as I was doing overnights with them, so I havent been able to walk around too much to check out how they are working, but we havent had any complaints from the floor or upstairs, so everything seems to be looking up.
If they were on the way out, it doesnt seem they would be doing this, but then again, they could be trying to save themselves.
Considering the guys seemed really optomistic, it doesnt seem that they are in much danger.

BTW, John is a great guy and fun to work with.


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Richard Fowler
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The seven year rule should get Sony comfortably into Digital Cinema.
Sony has done some restructuring and some professional items such as Betacam SP is being retired this year but have noted that they will support it for 7 - 10 years.
In closing I just arrived from the airport after an out of country field trip and in one of my suitcases I am carrying in a SDDS 3000 system...excess baggage is cheaper than airfreight.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com

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Darren Crimmins
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I have been working with the SDDS systems for a few years now, and I am not suprised if they get totally faded out from the theater system. As most all projectionists who have worked with them, unless the LED's aren't just calibrated right, they only work sparatically (sp). When screening movies, I used to order new reels when there were significant dropouts, but now I must remember which of my houses the SDDS actually works in. It is a bitch. I can't believe that the SDDS system is actually more expensive than alternatives, and still companies purchace them.
This Thursday people from Sony are supposed to come to my theater to fix any problems that we may be having with specific systems (basically all of them). This is the first time anyone has come to a theater I was at to service them. At a previous theater chain I worked at the 'tech', known as J.D.R. was supposed to come out and service ours, but that is for a different thread...

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Richard Fowler
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The Sony deal with major circuits involved financing through Sony Credit...the same deal is used for major television station purchases. Who cares if it has a higher price if it is spread over 3 - 5 years; it is seen more as an operational cost and in some instances has tax advantages. Financing and lease programs will probably usher in Digital Cinema...........
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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From what I've heard you'll have to take your Sony processor into a regular Sony Service Center to get it repaired. Weather they'll send it to a central place on the west coast with a tech that only repairs SDDS, or let each repair depot repair them I don't know. All I can say is that if each depot handles them, good luck! I was a tech in a Panasonic Depot for over 5 years. All the techs there repaired everything, one of the techs left there and went to a Sony repair Center and it was ll handled the same way. IN most of these operations the techs have to work on everything. Techs are rated by number of repairs, vs. hours worked, vs. re-do's. So output is important. My average number of repairs when I worked there was 14 per day. That included Pocket cassette recorders, color tv's, video tape players, stereo equipment(both high and low end),microwaves, vacuum cleaners, and CB radios. So one can just imagine if they are handling it this way, that the tech that works on your 3000 processor had just completed a Boom Box on his previous repair. Thats Sony, No Baloney! Doesn't matter to us at GTS much as we never supported or pushed this junk on any of our customers anyway.
Mark @ GTS


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Charles Everett
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Related to this thread: AMC no longer runs any SDDS snipes in the preshow. This was true at the AMC Hamilton when I saw Gosford Park last weekend and How High just before Xmas.

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 01-29-2002 11:30 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok Aaron, please provide the document that proves your statement regarding SDDS' demise not being rumors!

Is SDDS in a shakey position? Sure. Will it die someday, quite possibly. Is it dead yet? Nope. And there are still more 8-channel films in the works than EX. Now with Dan Taylor gone, I suspect that the 8-channel future is in question...further leading to the possibility of an eventual demise of the format.

Why does this BS topic keep coming up when it has ben rehashed in other threads? Everyone has opinions here and more power to you. But to state something as fact or in a manner to make someone believe it is fact (when it is merely an opinion) is in FACT wrong!

Steve

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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OK Steve,
You seem to know more than anyone here, including Sony! So whats the poop on all this? Not that it's any worry for me.....but apparently some are sweating it out over this.
Mark @ GTS


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Brad Miller
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The Sony tech squad is going to be in Dallas this Thursday. I'll ask them about it then. Still, I don't see why they are running around offering upgrades to people if the company is currently going under. That doesn't make much sense. I think this is probably more of a silly rumor in which no one has been able to clarify one way or another.

If the guys traveling around upgrading units do not know, I'll shoot an email to John Luttrelle and Al Barton. It is possible they do not check the forum every day and have no idea of this thread.


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Will Kutler
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My experience has been that SDDS is the least reliable of all the digital formats.

Unlike SRD and DTS, the theater chain for whom I used to work had to pay for SDDS trailer snipes, so they quit running them!

The drop-out rate on SDDS systems is excessive.

I also had a screwey...very screwey Christie/SDDS system that would want to play an ocasional SDDS print in digital when set to the SR mode and vice versa!

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