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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 01-19-2002 05:00 AM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK, this may be a stupid question for me to ask, but I am going to ask it anyway.

Is an old DTS Stereo disk (such as the orginal Jurassic Park) compatible to DTS-6 units? Many moons ago, I remember someone saying it is not.


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Darryl Spicer
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It has been a long time so I am taking this from old memories. But if memory serves correctly, the first DTS units that came out when Jurassic park was released Had both capabilities. I think you had to set certain jumpeers on the timecode board and use a different output on the back of the unit that you sent the signal to your processor and your processor did the matrix conversion. The second generation DTS units that came out the following year, eliminated this capability.

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Greg Mueller
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 - posted 01-19-2002 10:21 AM      Profile for Greg Mueller   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Mueller   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Don't know if this helps or not, but... I have no problems playing any vintage disk, old or new, in my old 2 drawer unit. You'd think if there was a difference it would show up in forward compatability. I mean if they changed the disks somehow, I wouldn't think they would play in my relative antique unit.

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Pete Naples
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 - posted 01-19-2002 11:19 AM      Profile for Pete Naples   Email Pete Naples   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I recently came across a single drive unit, it looks otherwise identical to the twin drive units we are all familiar with.

Is this a DTS Stereo unit?? Could it be upgraded to latest spec?

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Adam Martin
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 - posted 01-19-2002 11:27 AM      Profile for Adam Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Martin       Edit/Delete Post 
There was an audio level change a few years ago. Technically, you need to recalibrate your SPLs to the old levels to play a "vintage" disc properly.

There have also been dts.exe file updates built into the discs. Something about automatically flash updating the one in ROM, but I'm not entirely certain about how this one works, or if you can "backwards update" your unit playing a vintage disc.

(And then I realized that Paul is talking about the DTS Stereo discs and not the early DTS Digital discs. *slap* Wake up!)


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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 01-19-2002 12:25 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi, Adam.

Yes, it was the stereo disc for the old orginal DTS player. Hope this helps........

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 01-19-2002 02:46 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Discs labeled "6 track" are fully compatible with today's dts players.

Discs labeled "Stereo" are completely useless unless you need drink coasters.

The dts units you are familiar with today are considered "6 track" and require 2 discs if the film is longer than 100 minutes. The discs labeled "stereo" are exactly that, they carry 2 channels of audio. The 2 channels outputted by the dts player were wired into projector 2 input and all HF boost was removed along with any noise reduction. (Obviously there are other ways to do it, but that's how I saw most were wired in.) As I understand it, this was a temporary thing from dts because of a shortage of cdrom drives back in 1993 to handle the incredible demand for Jurassic Park. Many theaters got a 6 track player along with a stereo player for the summer of 1993 movies. One stereo disc could hold something like 500+ minutes of 2 channel audio and was processed through the normal matrix card to derive the center, surround and subwoofer exactly like optical is today. When more cdrom drives were available, dts did upgrades to convert the older decks to 6 track playback and they stopped producing "stereo" discs. Thus, any disc labeled "stereo" is completely useless nowadays except for Pete's unit. (Pete, send that in to dts and get them to upgrade it to 6 track!)


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Jesse Skeen
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My old theater got back "Jurassic Park" a couple years after it had been out and tried to play it on the 3-drawer DTS-6AD system, and the original 6-track discs that came with it would not load. They had to get CD-R copies that were formatted to work with the newer systems. Supposedly "Jurassic Park" is the only movie whose discs won't work on the 6AD's (and supposedly the old matrix stereo discs won't work on it at all).

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Steve Kraus
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A related question: Is every current disk playable on 6-track players of any vintage? What issues does a firmware upgrade address (besides possible drive replacement)? I would presume that since decoding is done in hardware and many other things can be addressed by the fact that the main software is on the disk itself that there is full back compatibility but it's never safe to take things for granted.

And if I plug in a keyboard, video card, and modem, pop in a CD/R with comm software renamed "dts.exe" can I get my email at the soundrack?

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Ray Derrick
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Only if you are with AOL.

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Pete Naples
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Thanks for the advice Brad, I'll get on to DTS UK and get this organized. Means somebody somewhere is gonna get DTS for not a lot of £££

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Karen Hultgren
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 - posted 01-23-2002 12:40 PM      Profile for Karen Hultgren   Author's Homepage   Email Karen Hultgren   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Paul,

No, the stereo discs will not work in current units. We stopped making stereo discs many years ago. We did it for only a few films at our beginning.

Karen at DTS

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John Walsh
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 - posted 01-23-2002 08:42 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Speaking of backards compatibility....

Does anyone need the older caddys than held DTS disks? I was just about to toss 4 or 5 of them, but then I thought I'd ask first.

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Greg Mueller
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Yes please. I'll take all I can get.

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John Walsh
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OK, Greg, they're yours.

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