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Ken Lackner
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The sound system is one of the systems I know the least about. Is there a good place to read about the various technologies used in reproducing optical sound?

Why is reverse scan better than foward scan?
Why use red LED's?
What is a Jax Light?

Etc.... Is there one place where I can get the answers to these and other similar questions? Thanks!

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Paul Mayer
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Maybe start with Scott's FAQ in the Tips section...

Paul

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Ray Derrick
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There is a wealth of information available but it is spread from one end of the planet to the other. Unfortunately there is no one source that will tell you everything (someone should write a book).

There is some info on the Dolby.com website regarding Dolby A and Dolby SR technology but you need to be at least vaguely into electronics to really understand it. Also there is an article on matrixing on the USLinc website under "Tech Forum" written by some guy called Morgan (mis-titled "The Digital Matrix" because it actually applies to the analog matrix), but it is not all that accurate in my opinion, but worth a read none the less.

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Steve Guttag
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There is also a wealth of mis-information too!

Steve

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Ken Lackner
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I am at least vaguely into electronics because I am go to school for Electronics Engineering Technology. I should enjoy that article.

I'll look around, and if I have questions, I'll ask.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Speaking of optical sound technology what ever happened to the laser based analog optical recorder that was being developed in Japan a number of years ago. I remember reading an article on it in an old SMPTE journal that had some amazing claims for it. As far as I know everything in use is still galvonometer based.
Mark @ GTS

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John Walsh
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Those old Cameron books about projection had a good section about (mono) optical sound.

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Steve Guttag
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The Audio Cyclopedia by Tremaine (sp?) though dated is still a good reference to start out with when learning about sound, including film sound.

Steve

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Ray Derrick
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I agree with Steve, the Audio Cyclopedia is one of the best sources of good juicy information on not just optical and magnetic film sound, but on film and projection technology in general.

Unfortunately it has been out of print since at least 1987 when it was replaced by the "Handbook for Sound Engineers - The New Audio Cyclopedia" which, although also an excellent reference, unfortunately contains none of the cinema-related topics. Both books are also very thick (about 3") and very expensive.

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Ray Derrick
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John Pytlak
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John G. Frayne "wrote the book" on optical sound:

"Elements of Sound Recording". Frayne Halley Wolfe. 1949

And numerous technical papers published by the SMPTE.
http://www.studio-sound.com/archive/may98/aes_timeline.html
http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/support/h44/h442.shtml

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Gordon McLeod
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Mark here is a link to a current laser based recorder from a very high quality German firm MWA that also makes excellent dubbers http://www.mwa-studio.de/index2.htm

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John Anastasio
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I'd like to know how they managed to make a GREEN helium-neon laser. I'll be darned if I've ever seen one that color. Is there such a bird? I've seen plenty of green CO2 lasers, but never a HeNe that wasn't red.

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Steve Kraus
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Ken Lackner asked:
>Why is reverse scan better than foward scan?

Reverse scan is the term used when the image of a soundtrack is projected onto a slit in front of the light sensitive element (generally a solar cell) as opposed to the previously more common method of focusing the sliver of light from a slit onto the track. There have been soundheads using this system for many years. The reason it's better is that (generally speaking) they give much better frequency response and on a stereo installation have an almost complete absence of crosstalk between the channels.

>Why use red LED's?

Why use LED's? Because they don't usually burn out and their output declines only very slowly both of which mean less maintenance is required.

Why RED? Because of a threat that the industry will convert to a soundtrack that exists entirely in the cyan dye layer of the film. Current soundtracks are specially processed to retain the silver normally removed in developing so that the dark part of the track will be opaque to infrared light, which is the bulk of what a conventional incandescent bulb puts out. (Processed color film is otherwise almost totally transparent to IR.) The early versions of the modern LED-based reverse scan systems used IR LED's.

>What is a Jax Light?

JAXLight is a product of Ultra Stereo (USL Inc.). It's a red LED assembly that plugs directly into the conventional exciter bulb socket. Output off the solar cell is lower so they include a booster amp to be installed in the audio lines. It does not give the benefits of a reverse scan retrofit but it does make the soundhead compatible with the threatened cyan tracks and also reduces maintenance since it's an LED.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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>What is a Jax Light?

Jax Lights suck big time. They are a complete waste of time and you gain absolutely nothing from using one.
Mark


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John Walsh
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"Jax Lights suck big time. They are a complete waste of time and you gain absolutely nothing from using one."

Sounds like a review worthy of being placed in the "Reviews" section!

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