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Michael Brown
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From: Bradford, England
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 - posted 11-18-2001 05:52 AM      Profile for Michael Brown   Email Michael Brown   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My place might be showing Harry Potter in the new year, We run a tower syetem and I think this film might just be slightly too long for us to show it in one go. From the "feature info" forum I believe it is nine reels, could anybody suggest at the end of which reel is the suitable place for the intermission?

thanks

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Bernard Tonks
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All 9 reels will go on a 36” diameter tower spool easily. However if you do decide to have an intermission!

Intermission is to be in the most appropriate place at the end of reel 5.

Part One – Reels 1 to 5: runs 83 mins. 50 secs.

Part Two – Reels 6 to 9: runs 68 mins. 15 secs.

Cast list (inclusive is 8 mins.)

You will need to contact Warner Bros. for a customised Harry Potter Intermission title. We changed our minds and decided to run straight through due to the length of the entire programme plus 25 minutes opening time because of no advance booking.



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Frank Aston
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Are Warner Bros REALLY agreeing to an intermission in HP if theatres want one?

"It's always better on the big screen".

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Greg Mueller
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It depends on how full the reels are. If they are full reels you won't get 9 reels on a 36" reel. You'll have to go to a 38" which will just barely get 10 reels on there. About all I've ever got on a 36", is seven full reels (comfortably). Then there's other films, that for some reason, come on 10 dinky reels which will easily fit on on a 36"er

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Andy Muirhead
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I think by the time Michael manages to get a print, Warners won't care if he puts an intermission in!

As a guestimate you will probable be able to squeeze HP onto one tower reel ok, depends how hardcore you are!

It is 9 reels but not many were full, so its not an exact science. Polyester will take up less space too.

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Wes Hughes
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its polyester...it will fit on the tower reel.

run it in one go if you can...


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Michael Brown
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I'll have to ask what size reels we have. I dont know the numeric sizes.

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Pete Naples
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Yes it will run in one on a small centred spool, seen it doing so this morning, only on a Westrex tower, the Cinemecannica DGB's don't want to know....

Warners have specified the place for an intermission, and as Bernard already said, there is a special intermission title available.

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Bernard Tonks
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I use 36” diameter spools with 8” hubs, and there is still over 1” space left on the spool, so 10” hubs should also be alright to use. On the front of Harry Potter I have 30’ of black spacing for automation timing plus 70’ of academy leader, protection and lacing stock.

Pete:

I’m not familiar with DGBs. I do have one 36" Cinemeccanica easyspool which I have never used and the hub is 11-3/4” so perhaps Harry Potter would be too tight or oversize.



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Greg Mueller
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Sure wish I could figure out why they don't fill those reels up. Take a film like "The Messenger". It came on 10 reels but when you put them all together, it didn't add up to much more than the average 6 reeler. Seems like it would be a lot more efficient to make full shipping reels and cut down on the splices and monkeyin around time. Same with Moulin Rouge and a host of others. Doesn't make sense to me...

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John Pytlak
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AFAIK, reel change locations are an editorial decision, hopefully made on the basis of not disrupting the continuity with a reel change. There may be other factors that may influence the decision, such as not having completed a section of the final edit, but wanting the give the lab some reels to start printing as deadlines approach.

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John Walsh
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Someone once surmised that once all the shot footage comes to the editor, he and the director go over it and make their first shot at a finished film. Then, it's divided up into reels and c/o cues are added so test screenings can be run. After that, it is usually edited more, so some reels then become less than 20 min. long.

I also heard that editors dislike projectionists. Editors are upset that they spend so much time putting peices of film together, while some projectionists take peices of film out. I have heard that an editor who manages to put c/o marks during bright, flashing scenes (like in a disco) with the camera flying around, gets a free year of union dues. I also wish to go on record protesting the current practise of placing good looking, naked babes in the lower, left side of the frame during c/o time.

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John Pytlak
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John Walsh is correct that reel changes (cues) decided during the test screenings (previews) may remain, even after some scenes are edited out for the final release, leaving some reels less than full.


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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
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Wes Hughes
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I certainly don't think that editors hate projectionists because they remove film...in fact, in my little bit of moviemaking experience it is common knowledge to put changeovers in "un-important" places, and to add a foot or so of extra footage on either side of reel breaks so that cutting will not affect the contunuity of the film.

Having said that I must state that I have only been involved with a few independents, AND that I have seen changeovers in AWFUL places in films before!

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Gordon McLeod
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As I have mentioned before check out Sound of Music it has 2 changeovers in the 70mm version mid songs

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