Film-Tech Cinema Systems
Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE


  
my profile | my password | search | faq & rules | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE   » Operations   » Film Handlers' Forum   » The Man Who Wasn't There - print defects?

   
Author Topic: The Man Who Wasn't There - print defects?
Leo Enticknap
Film God

Posts: 7474
From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000


 - posted 10-29-2001 04:50 AM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I saw this film yesterday and was really distracted by the colour cast, which seemed to vary from reel to reel. It started off with a greenish tinge, then became pink in reel 2, and so on right through the film. It totally ruined the crisp and contrasty b/w photography for me - film noir is not supposed to be tinted!

Is this like 'The General' (the John Boorman thiller, not the Buster Keaton film) - a case of a b/w production being printed onto colour release print stock without the labs taking care to process it properly? There must have been a serious quality control blunder somewhere for each reel to be so different from the last - like all the reel 1s being developed with the chemical mix slightly wrong or at the wrong temperature, then likewise for the reel 2s only slightly different.

If so, is it not possible for proper b/w release print stock to be used for b/w films? Admittedly the number of new b/w films being made is very small and probably not enough for manufacturing a special batch to be economic. Perhaps this problem could be solved by deep-freezing a large amount of raw stock and then thawing it out as needed? After all the silver emulsion is very stable and shrinkage is not a major problem with polyester base.

OK, rant over...

 |  IP: Logged

Phil Connolly
Film Handler

Posts: 80
From: Derby, England
Registered: May 2000


 - posted 10-29-2001 05:21 AM      Profile for Phil Connolly   Author's Homepage   Email Phil Connolly   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'd heard that it was shot on colour stock and convered to B & W in the post production stage.

I can't remeber where I heard it, but it was something to do with the finer grain of colour stock.

Can anybody confirm this, one way or another?


 |  IP: Logged

John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 10-29-2001 07:54 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The making of the film is discussed in the October 2001 issue of "American Cinematographer":
http://www.cinematographer.com/magazine/0,1210,26264,00.html

It was shot on Kodak VISION 320T Color Negative Film. The article says they decided to print the film on EASTMAN High Contrast Panchromatic Film 5369, which is NOT normally used as a print film, but rather as an intermediate film for special effects:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/lab/5369.shtml#base

------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


 |  IP: Logged

Phil Connolly
Film Handler

Posts: 80
From: Derby, England
Registered: May 2000


 - posted 10-29-2001 08:06 AM      Profile for Phil Connolly   Author's Homepage   Email Phil Connolly   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thought so.

Thanks for the links John.


 |  IP: Logged

Leo Enticknap
Film God

Posts: 7474
From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000


 - posted 10-29-2001 08:19 AM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In that case, how could a colour cast be introduced in developing? It was definitely there on the print I saw yesterday. Could it be that the prints being used for high-profile city centre venues were struck on 5369 but then the labs ran out and had to finish the run on a more widely available release print stock?

 |  IP: Logged



All times are Central (GMT -6:00)  
   Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic    next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.3.1.2

The Film-Tech Forums are designed for various members related to the cinema industry to express their opinions, viewpoints and testimonials on various products, services and events based upon speculation, personal knowledge and factual information through use, therefore all views represented here allow no liability upon the publishers of this web site and the owners of said views assume no liability for any ill will resulting from these postings. The posts made here are for educational as well as entertainment purposes and as such anyone viewing this portion of the website must accept these views as statements of the author of that opinion and agrees to release the authors from any and all liability.

© 1999-2020 Film-Tech Cinema Systems, LLC. All rights reserved.