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James R. Hammonds, Jr
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 931
From: Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Nov 2000


 - posted 10-07-2001 06:38 PM      Profile for James R. Hammonds, Jr   Email James R. Hammonds, Jr   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have problems with image shakiness on two different projectors.
One of them shakes in both flat and scope.
Now, this doesnt looke like a gate tension problem, because this is more of a vibrating than a "weaving" movement.
Also, if you hold down on the turret, the shaking stops.

The other projector has the same problem, but only with flat movies.
The lens seems to be in place and secrued tightly, so were not sure what the problem is.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
James

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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

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From: Rockwall TX USA
Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 10-07-2001 06:45 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Are they Simplexes with the TU2000 turret? These are INFAMOUS for vibrating pictures. I have one that to this day I cannot stop the vibration by 'normal'[adjustments, etc.] means (resulting in our having to jam something into the assembly to stop the shake)

-Aaron

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Ken Layton
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Olympia, Wash. USA
Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 10-07-2001 06:50 PM      Profile for Ken Layton   Email Ken Layton   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Please indicate the make/model of the projectors in question.

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


 - posted 10-07-2001 07:08 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Sounds like a loose turret latch or a blower fan. We really need to know the specific model of equipment, including the lamphouse and approximate date of manufacture.

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Houston, TX, USA
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 - posted 10-07-2001 07:27 PM      Profile for James R. Hammonds, Jr   Email James R. Hammonds, Jr   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I knew I forgot something.

These are the Strong Milleniums.
I believe manufactured Sept. 99.
Thats the date on everything else we opened with.


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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.

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From: Dallas, TX
Registered: Nov 2000


 - posted 10-07-2001 07:41 PM      Profile for Adam Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Martin       Edit/Delete Post 
Also check to make sure the lens elements aren't unscrewing from each other. Had that happen once or twice.

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Bernard Tonks
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Cranleigh, Surrey, England
Registered: Apr 2001


 - posted 10-08-2001 09:13 AM      Profile for Bernard Tonks   Email Bernard Tonks   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I had the same problem many years ago, which I overcome by fine adjustment of the motor on the mounting cradle. But then my equipment is different to yours and a lot older, Westar (Century) & RCA 9031 soundheads.



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Freddie Dobbs
Expert Film Handler

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From: Pinson, AL, USA
Registered: Jun 2001


 - posted 10-08-2001 10:12 AM      Profile for Freddie Dobbs   Email Freddie Dobbs   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If you look at the turret stop and latch I think you will find that the latch is not holding the turret tight against the stop. Assuming the aperture was cut correctly, you can pull the turret tight against the stop and judge where to adjust it, the aperture must be put correct with the masking while holding the turret tight against the stop, without physically sliding the console.

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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 10-08-2001 12:36 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
One simple way to separate "projector shake" from film unsteadiness is to focus on the edge of the aperture while projecting "open gate" without film. If the image of the aperture edge is moving, either the entire projector or the lens mount is vibrating. (Or you are having an earthquake ). Keep the "open gate" time to only a few seconds to avoid overheating the lens, or use a "pinhole" aperture.

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Pete Naples
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Dunfermline, Scotland
Registered: Feb 2001


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Are these fittes with the Leeson single phase motor?? We haev appalling difficulties with ALL Strong projectors fited with those motors. They hunt, and the resultant 1 Hz harmonic vibration sets the whole machine vibrating so badly that it can be seen on screen. It's bad enough that the machien visibly moves at 1 Hz when running.
The only solution we've found is to remove the pile of junk motor and fit a decent one, three phase with invertor control works great.

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Carl King
Expert Film Handler

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From: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 10-09-2001 02:36 PM      Profile for Carl King   Email Carl King   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The shake could be from almost anything from loose turret mounts/screws to loose lenses. Spend some time and tighten everything you can without affecting your image on screen.

You might want to contact Strong for some advice.

Carl King

"Drown in a vat of whiskey? Death where is thy sting?"
W.C. Fields

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