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Jonathan Haglund
Film Handler

Posts: 81
From: Irvine, CA, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 07-23-2001 07:55 PM

I have an SDDS 2000 system that wont work (surprise). The processor boots and checks out OK, but the reader will not function (no LED light). It was not working awhile ago and I tried unplugging and re-plugging the reader while power was on and later was told this was a "bad" idea. Is there anything I can do to undo my folly or is this one of those tech related replacement repairs?

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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

Posts: 3061
From: Rockwall TX USA
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 07-23-2001 08:30 PM

uh-oh... You damaged an SDDS...

If any of the main boards are damaged on it, its gonna be *VERY* expensive to fix if the boards require replacement.

According to the quotes I got from Sony, it will cost more than a used DA20 or DTS6 to replace the boards. Figures.

Aaron

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Stefan Scholz
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 223
From: Schoenberg, Germany
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 07-24-2001 07:07 AM

Never unplug or plug the system*s camera cable while power is on. It may kill the input / output chips. Always turn off.

Off course the boards itself are more valuable in parts than a CP 500, but if they are sent in for repair it*s a nominal charge as with any other maker.
Just ask the cuteous Sony service, phone and contact is on the web site.

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John Luttrelle
Film Handler

Posts: 2
From: Culver City, CA, USA
Registered: Jul 2001

posted 08-15-2001 09:27 AM

HI Jonathan,
I recently noticed your posting RE: DFPR2000 "no LED light"
Given the information I am not sure what the problem is now, theres a few factors that may apply in your case.
Led's should flash once when system is powered on. This would be a good indication reader may be undamaged and general maintenance items may apply. In any case repair is possible.
Please contact our Customer Support Line and we would be pleased to assist you.
Thank you,
John Luttrelle
Sony Cinema Products
Customer Support Group
10950 W. Washington Blvd
Culver City, Ca. 90232
866.766.9272 press "1" then "8" then "2"
john_luttrelle@scpc.sony.com

866.SONYBPC toll free
techsupport@sdds.sony.com - email technical support <A HREF="http://www.sdds.com" TARGET=_blank>www.sdds.com</A> - sdds website for information on sdds, products, films, and software

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Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster

Posts: 16657
From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99

posted 08-15-2001 03:55 PM

This is nothing new. Just use it for a door stop and get yourself a DTS or DA-20/Cat 700. In fact I got in a bunch of 2 drawer DTS players here.
MArk @ GTS
BTW: The DTS time code reader is fuse protected on the 2 drawer units. The fuse may blow but the reader will not. "Sony, No Baloney???!" Yea right.

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 08-16-2001 03:01 AM

Easy there Mark. John's post above was clearly helpful, and hopefully Jonathan and John can do some troubleshooting directly on this thread so that others who experience this same problem in the future can use this in the archives to assist in future troubleshooting/repairs of the DFP-2000. The whole purpose of posts like Jonathan's is to seek help and (hopefully) obtain it on various equipment in the industry. John is taking time out of his day to represent Sony with field questions on their equipment publicly, which in the end will most probably end up helping not just Jonathan, but many others who are silently reading these posts with similar situations. It's a win/win situation for Sony and the users of their products in the field having John here answering questions, and that's a good thing.

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Jonathan Haglund
Film Handler

Posts: 81
From: Irvine, CA, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 08-16-2001 05:16 AM

I can't even begin to speculate and/or troubleshoot this anymore. The unit was removed to undergo repair. If/When the system returns I will post what the problem was, but my impression was since there is no protection againts a surge when plugging the reader in with power on, that a board in the processor went kaputz (per the title).
Live and learn and pay dearly for the privellige.

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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 08-16-2001 07:33 AM

I also value and appreciate the participation of other equipment suppliers like Sony, Dolby, DTS, Strong, Cinemeccanica, QSC, etc. in helping solve problems. Working together, we can solve problems and learn where improvements are needed.

BTW, it's ALWAYS a good idea to power down equipment before switching components.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

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Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster

Posts: 16657
From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99

posted 08-16-2001 09:50 AM

Brad,
My post made a good point that I think you missed. The fact that DTS does include protection in case you plug or unplug the reader with the power on. With so many rollaround carts in use today the extra safety factor is important. Dolby also has no safety margin built in either as far as I am aware of. This is something that both Dolby and Sony SHOULD have considered when they designed their units. I have replaced many fuses(but nothing more) in DTS processors due to iddiots plugging and unplugging the readers with the power on.

As far as repairing the 2000 goes, it is probably NOT worth it unless it is something really simple. All you have to do is go back and read all the trouble people have had with them in past threads, even when the units are working properly. So is it worth it? Most likely not.
Unfortunately it can easily cost more to repair one than to buy a DTS. I have had several customers complain to me about this and there have been a number of posts regarding same AFFORDABLE as both Dolby and DTS do with their products. Their customers spent a lot of money to purchase those units and the lack of reasonable priced support to repair them only strengthens everyones sentiments even more and the fact that Sony does as it pleases and is not willing to at least be the equal of the other two Digital Processor Companies.

I am not digging in at John for offering support for the problem and thank him for doing so but this support is usually too expensive.
Mark @ GTS

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 08-17-2001 04:22 AM

Mark,

Yes I got your point and it is a very good one that perhaps Dolby and Sony will integrate into their systems. However I was just jumping in on a moderator level with my comment above.

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Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9532
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99

posted 08-17-2001 10:20 AM

Actually for years dolbys cards were hot plugable and also non destrucxtive if they got swapped
Those were the days

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Robb Johnston
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 147
From: St. Louis Suburbs
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 08-23-2001 02:48 PM

This sounds like a problem that I had on 2 of my units over the last 2 years.

On pages 28-30 of the DFP reader head manual found on this site there are exploded views and parts lists for the reader. directly behind the sprocket is part 115, which looks like an old wagon wheel. directly to the left of this item is part 107 which is printed circuit board PC-74. This board has an emitter/sensor component. Basically the "Wagon wheel" spins with the sprocket and breaks the light beam in part 107 which times the blinking of the LED's to read the SDDS information. I have had the emmitter/sensor that is on the PC-74 board fail on two units shortly after I got to my current location. We attributed them to a lack of blowing the dust out of the readers on a recular basis.

IF the LED's blink once when you turn on the system but not when you spin the sprocket, I would be willing to bet that this is your problem fixed for less than 60 bucks.

Have fun trying to order the part though. the PN listed will get you the blank PC-74 card, not the component or the plug. I would call SONY and have them find the part number for the assembly and post it here as a reference.

Robb Johnston

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