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Jesse Skeen
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1517
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 06-07-2001 08:37 PM

I opened up 2 prints of "Swordfish" last night, each coming with one DTS disc, and noticed both of them had the discs in paper sleeves instead of the usual plastic cases, though they were still in the big reel-shaped things the discs come in. Wouldn't you know it, one of the discs was cracked right out of the case. I've never seen this happen with the plastic cases, I hope they aren't planning to use paper sleeves from now on because I predict there will be a LOT of broken discs!

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Brian Potts
Film Handler

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From: Lexington, North Carolina, USA
Registered: Apr 2000

posted 06-08-2001 12:57 AM

I found the same thing with my print of Swordfish. Also, the last 2 sets of DTS trailer disks came in the paper sleeves. Luckily enough, I haven't had any of my disks broke. I agree with you Jesse on hoping that the paper sleeves aren't permanent.

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
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posted 06-08-2001 01:34 AM

I wonder why DTS is getting cheap? Are they losing money? Or is this the result of a cheap studio that made this decision to ship the discs in paper sleeves?

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Mike Blakesley
Film God

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From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-08-2001 02:26 AM

Even if they don't get broken, scratches are a big possibility, especially if the print is shipped in those flimsy TES cans via Airborne.

I would think those soft-plastic disk cases are nearly indestructible, why can't they just recycle these from old films?

Oh, that's right, it's because all the old disks are still SITTING IN THEATRES!!!

[sarcasm mode OFF]

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

Posts: 492
From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 06-11-2001 04:12 PM

Jesse,

Thanks for letting me know. I'll look into that.

Karen at DTS

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John Keegan
Film Handler

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From: Trevose, Pa Near Northeast Philadelphia USA.
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 06-21-2001 11:41 AM

Funny this topic would come up.. I noticed this too when we got our prints of Swordfish and even Shrek for that matter! I haven't had one break yet, but who knows. I disagree about the plastic cases being nearly indestructable as when I received out Open Captioned Print of "Driven", Both cases were shattered...Don't know if this was they were loose in the can or whether someone stepped on it...At least the discs survived...

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Kevin Crawford
Expert Film Handler

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From: Sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: May 2000

posted 06-21-2001 12:28 PM

I recently got the trailer discs, and one was broken.

I say that if DTS wants to save money, stop sending them out every week. It isn't like the list of trailers on the disk changes from week to week.

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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 06-21-2001 02:48 PM

Karen,

Is there a way that someone could assemble a "trailer" disc using a computer with a cd burner? If so, I would be pleased to offer dts trailer downloads from this site that theaters could download, customize and burn for their particular theater. I know not everyone would have that option, but cd burners are becoming increasingly popular and blank cdroms can now be had for about a quarter. It would also get trailer audio files to the theaters quicker.

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John Walsh
Film God

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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999

posted 06-21-2001 08:03 PM

Can you copy a DTS disk over the internet? That is, can someone make a kind of image file, save it on a server and later download it to their CD burner.

I'm thinking of some way where 2nd run theaters (many of whom seem not to get the discs with their print) could go to a site and download the image file. I realise that's a lotta megabytes, but maybe this "DTS server" would only hold films up to two months- after that, it's purged.

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 06-21-2001 08:58 PM

If dts and the studios would agree to it, the Film-Tech servers are severely overbuilt now and they have TONS of spare storage space on them and I have TONS of bandwidth that is not being used. We could easily take care of it.

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Randy Stankey
Film God

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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-21-2001 10:08 PM

A disk image file (.img) already has its own compression of sorts. You probably don't need to compress it any more. You could just blast it over the internet as-is. (Using BinHex if needed.) If you made it into a StuffIt archive, you would get even more compression. (If it will compress any more.)

Essentially, you just download it, Un-Stuff / De-BinHex it as needed and then burn it onto a CD. Seeing as how a CD holds a max of 700 MB, you could store an awful lot of them on a server if you had the proper resources.

It's all just a matter of getting permission and then setting it up.

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Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-21-2001 10:29 PM

The information on a DTS disk is already compressed. You can't compress it any further (actually, like encrypted data, it would get bigger if you tried to compress it). The best thing to do is to make the information available in .iso format, which can be used by most cd-burning software to create an exact clone of the original disk. The format is pretty common; for example, most of the Linux and BSD distributions are available in this format, from which a bootable CD can be created from the downloadable files.

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Heyward Garner
Expert Film Handler

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From: Winston-Salem, NC, USA
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 06-22-2001 01:52 AM

Yeah! Broken disk! I am not alone!!! I had a broken trailer disk shipped to me. I also wouldn't doubt that they are losing money, because for the past several weeks they have been sending me 12 trailer disks... I only have 6 units. Go figure...

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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 06-22-2001 02:32 AM

Saw 2 broken trailer discs sitting on a desk today. I'm not sure when they came in, but the projectionist of the theater told me they arrived broken and showed me the new paper sleeves (along with a few explecatives). There is one thing about saving money, but it is a completely different story when a new practice becomes "cheap".

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

Posts: 492
From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 06-22-2001 05:03 PM

Please call us to report broken discs. We are experimenting with new packaging and the only way we know if it is working or not is if we hear from YOU. So, please let us know when/if you are experiencing problems.

Our telephone number is (800) 959-4109 (conti. USA only) or (818) 706-3525

Email: cinematech@dtsonline.com (another email addy for me).

Thanks, Karen at DTS

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